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Old 07-29-2007, 01:22 AM   #1
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would tyson of been unbeaten for 50 fights and go down as one of the greats
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:25 AM   #2
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That is an absolutely fantastic question. Could Cus keep him on the rails? I think Tyson would have beaten Douglas. Could Holyfield have beaten him at this time? I say yes. I say Tyson wouldn't have reached 50 unbeaten.
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Old 07-29-2007, 01:27 AM   #3
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Cus would be a God than lol. The man was allreay well in his 80's. By the time Tyson was ready for Douglas in 1990, Cus would perhaps had to be wheel to and back from the ring lol.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:02 AM   #4
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yes he would of kept tyson at check and kept him focused on his career and not money and girls.....tyson would of soared past the 49-0 record imo....
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:21 AM   #5
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I'm sure he could.
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:48 AM   #6
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:54 AM   #7
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D'Amato could not of saved Tyson, by 1986 no one could. Tyson IMO needed to avoid pro boxing. Tyson's problems and personality meant money and fame made things worse. If D'Amato had taken him down a path other than pro boxing then maybe Tyson would of had a more... happy life?
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:44 AM   #8
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No, I don't think so. Cus was a trainer, not a jailor and it is absolutley the case, in my opinion, that Tyson would have come to resent him as he tried to spread his wings.

Remember that Cus didn't want fighters to go anywhere or do anything without his express premission. He treated 25 year old men who were worth serious money like they were teenagers...Tyson, with what is in him, would probably have cast that of especially if King was pissing in his ear.

Tyson, i'm afraid, would have f*cked up eventually because he is a f*ck up. That's just the way it is.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:46 AM   #9
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I believe D' Amato was the one person who ever lived who could save Tyson. Tyson looked up to him like he never did anyone else. I see Tyson beating Buster Douglas but then Losing 2 - 1 in a trilogy with Evander Holyfield. Also i think Mike would be more mentally tough with Cus around, he wouldnt crumble as easily when things didnt go quite the way he wanted in the ring.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:46 AM   #10
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D'Amato could not of saved Tyson, by 1986 no one could. Tyson IMO needed to avoid pro boxing. Tyson's problems and personality meant money and fame made things worse. If D'Amato had taken him down a path other than pro boxing then maybe Tyson would of had a more... happy life?
As you can see, TBooze said everything I said slightly better before I posted.

That's what I get for not reading the thread.

I do agree that Tyson needed to get far away from pro boxing, and Cus was certainly the last person who would ever ever ever have done that. For all his patter about "doing what is right for the fighters", they were fighters to him, even before they were human beings.

Tyson should also follow TBooze's advice now. He should get far away from the game, no training, no announceing no anything else you see suggested in General.

He should raise lamas or breed pigeons.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:48 AM   #11
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No, I don't think so. Cus was a trainer, not a jailor and it is absolutley the case, in my opinion, that Tyson would have come to resent him as he tried to spread his wings.

Remember that Cus didn't want fighters to go anywhere or do anything without his express premission. He treated 25 year old men who were worth serious money like they were teenagers...Tyson, with what is in him, would probably have cast that of especially if King was pissing in his ear.

Tyson, i'm afraid, would have f*cked up eventually because he is a f*ck up. That's just the way it is.
when you put it like that actually , my opinion slightly changes, good point
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:02 AM   #12
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Tyson who have gone down in flames sooner or later,his character flaws couldnt be papered over for ever,once an arsehole ,allways an-------.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:18 AM   #13
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Some people think Tyson was an angel under D'Amato's protection, but he has always been a punk. He got expelled from his school when he lived with Cus, he had that famous incident with that big mouth's niece.. maybe Cus could've kept him out of trouble for a little longer, but Tyson's always been a time bomb.

On top of that, boxers with his style never have a long lasting career, no matter how much of a father type the trainer is.

And who's to say Tyson wouldn't ditch Cus when Don King knows to manipulate him? After all, he also fired Rooney and believed a lot of lies that King told him... i wouldn't be suprised if it would've happened somewhere early 90's, creating a new Buster Douglas.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:32 AM   #14
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No way.

There's no chance a multi-millionaire like Tyson would've stayed under the umbrella of D'Amato's tutelage like he did when he had nothing but Cus to rely on.

The only difference with Tyson, as it compares 'tween "with Cus" and "without Cus" was the capability to fund his own lifestyle.
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Old 07-29-2007, 08:39 AM   #15
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No, I don't think so. Cus was a trainer, not a jailor and it is absolutley the case, in my opinion, that Tyson would have come to resent him as he tried to spread his wings.

Remember that Cus didn't want fighters to go anywhere or do anything without his express premission. He treated 25 year old men who were worth serious money like they were teenagers...Tyson, with what is in him, would probably have cast that of especially if King was pissing in his ear.

Tyson, i'm afraid, would have f*cked up eventually because he is a f*ck up. That's just the way it is.
I actually agree with this, Tyson's mental weaknesses would have got the better of him eventually maybe not as soon but it would have happen. There is only so long you can control someone and when Tyson decides he wants the champions lifestyle he would have left Cus probably for King due to everything promised.
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