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View Poll Results: Is Ezzard Charles in your top 5 pound-for-pound of all-time?
YES he is. 25 56.82%
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:58 PM   #61
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Robbi got most of them.

4 is Benny Leonard....7 is Roberto Duran....9 is Eder Jofre....

Right?
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:03 PM   #62
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I'd make Duran 6-5 or 7-5 over Armstrong and Armstrong 6-5 over Whitaker, at a glance.
That sounds agreeable to me.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:08 PM   #63
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I wouldnt take armstrong over whitaker. What about his style do you really think would offset whitaker's game? I feel that whitaker actually performed his best against pressure fighters like armstrong.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:08 PM   #64
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Just to get back to Charles, to those who don't have him in the top 5 I have two questions.

1. Is he in your top 10?

2. Who ranks above him for a top 5 spot and why? Based on resume and overall skill and ability, what 5 fighters were honestly greater than Charles?
Ezzard is absolutely in my top 10... I got him anywhere after 5 and usually close to it. Usually I rank Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Duran, Langford, and Pep over him. I'm reluctant to rank anyone else over him. You don't whip prime Moore and Burley without being a serious ring general.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:28 PM   #65
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Robbi got most of them.

4 is Benny Leonard....7 is Roberto Duran....9 is Eder Jofre....

Right?
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:34 PM   #66
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:35 PM   #67
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Well done so far. Carry on.
I have managed another. Just thinking of the last two.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:37 PM   #68
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Looks like I'm a bit slow and not read the posts above. The one I got after my initial go at it was, Roberto Duran.
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Old 09-11-2008, 08:25 PM   #69
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14-13 Yes. This is not what I was hoping for. Doesn't help me make a decision at all!!
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Old 09-11-2008, 08:33 PM   #70
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14-13 Yes. This is not what I was hoping for. Doesn't help me make a decision at all!!
Well, I think everyone that knows his career in detail would agree that he's anywhere from 4-8.

The only fighters with superior resumes are Greb, Langford, and you could possibly argue the case for Robinson, and at his best Charles was every bit as impressive as any other fighter. I believe only Robinson, Langford, and Greb are certainly above him, with Duran and Armstrong arguably being over him. Based on at least how I rate fighters, no one else should be higher than the Cincinnatti Cobra, so the lowest I can personally see him ranked is #6.
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Old 09-11-2008, 09:59 PM   #71
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Yes, he ranks top 5 right next to Corrie Sanders who is my Number 4. Ezzard was one of the best!
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:06 PM   #72
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I'd make Duran 6-5 or 7-5 over Armstrong and Armstrong 6-5 over Whitaker, at a glance.
Duran 7-5 over Hank and Armstrong about the same over PEA but I think the 1st fight could be closer and the 2nd wider in favor of Hank
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Old 09-12-2008, 05:33 AM   #73
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Duran 7-5 over Hank and Armstrong about the same over PEA but I think the 1st fight could be closer and the 2nd wider in favor of Hank
Yeah, we're pretty close to the same. It'd have to be around there.
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Old 09-12-2008, 05:37 AM   #74
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I wouldnt take armstrong over whitaker. What about his style do you really think would offset whitaker's game? I feel that whitaker actually performed his best against pressure fighters like armstrong.
Whitaker has never fought a pressure fighter like Armstrong. Chavez was a great fighter but he and Armstrong are still a long way apart stylewise, at least IMO. Armstrong's oft ranked in the top 5, and indeed 2 or 3 in history - he's not your usual everyday pressure fighter.
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Old 09-12-2008, 10:12 AM   #75
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Whitaker has never fought a pressure fighter like Armstrong. Chavez was a great fighter but he and Armstrong are still a long way apart stylewise, at least IMO. Armstrong's oft ranked in the top 5, and indeed 2 or 3 in history - he's not your usual everyday pressure fighter.
I agree, what a difference REAL pressure does to a guy....Frazier did it to Ali in 1...but Armstrong was relentless
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