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Old 07-29-2007, 04:23 AM   #1
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i was thinking about this for a while,

i put bradocks win over buster douglas as the greatest upset in my book because i felt douglas was a natural heavy weight and a legitimate contender.

1. james bradock def max baer
2. james douglas def mike tyson
3. ray leonard def marvin hagler
4. george foreman def michael moorer
5. frankie randall def julio caesar chavez
6. antonio tarver def roy jones jr
7. michael spinks def larry holmes
8. robero duran def iran barkley
9. evander holyfeild def mike tyson
10. lloyd honeyghan def donald curry


my list is very spotty, so please fill me in about the ones i missed
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:28 AM   #2
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I dont think Number 9 is an upset is it?
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You missed Ali over both Liston and Foreman. He was around 6 or 7/1 in both.
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:31 AM   #4
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I dont think Number 9 is an upset is it?
The odds on Holyfield were long. I'm trying to think if he was even fave in the rematch.
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:40 AM   #5
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maybe going by the odds on the fight, but not when you consider it from the point of view that tyson was nowhere near the fighter he was!
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:45 AM   #6
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The odds on Holyfield were long. I'm trying to think if he was even fave in the rematch.
I got 24/1 on a Holyfield win (first fight of course). I think Tyson was 2/5 favourite in the rematch with Holyfield at 7/4.
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maybe going by the odds on the fight, but not when you consider it from the point of view that tyson was nowhere near the fighter he was!
Not at all. Tyson was declared as good as he had been pre prison and just look at the odds TBooze got on Holyfield. The world believed Tyson was back to close to his best, hindsight and opinion doesn't impact at all on what a big upset this was.
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I got 24/1 on a Holyfield win (first fight of course). I think Tyson was 2/5 favourite in the rematch with Holyfield at 7/4.
Well done. Isn't the Tyson mystique amazing, even after Holyfield's supreme effort Mike is still the strong fave. Unreal.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:05 AM   #9
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Well done. Isn't the Tyson mystique amazing, even after Holyfield's supreme effort Mike is still the strong fave. Unreal.
Yes from Berbick up to the Lewis fight, Tyson was pretty much unbackable unless you were some zillionaire. Another intresting point is about the Berbick fight: By bell time Tyson was a strong 1/3 favourite, but believe it or not, the fight was pick-em until the final week of the build up.
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Yes from Berbick up to the Lewis fight, Tyson was pretty much unbackable unless you were some zillionaire. Another intresting point is about the Berbick fight: By bell time Tyson was a strong 1/3 favourite, but believe it or not, the fight was pick-em until the final week of the build up.
Yeah, i remember there were a few doubts, how was he going to go vs a genuine opponent with vast experience and there was the never been done at that age thing too. I got even money on Lewis with a few $50 wagers between pals. I am pretty sure Lewis was 7/5 fave.
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Not at all. Tyson was declared as good as he had been pre prison and just look at the odds TBooze got on Holyfield. The world believed Tyson was back to close to his best, hindsight and opinion doesn't impact at all on what a big upset this was.
decalred by who? i never expected him to win, so in MY opinion it wasnt an upset, thats all im saying
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Well done. Isn't the Tyson mystique amazing, even after Holyfield's supreme effort Mike is still the strong fave. Unreal.
I believe that just before the fight the odds on the first Holyfield-Tyson fight shortened to 6-1. But thats still a pretty big underdog.

In regards to this thread, I think Judah-Baldomir was a pretty big upset. Don't know what the odds were though.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:24 AM   #13
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I think it was either Douglas/Tyson or Schmeling/LouisI that were statistically the biggest upsets.

Mentions can go to Ali(Clay)/ListonI; Ali/Foreman; Spinks/AliI; Honeyghan/Curry; Turpin/RobinsonI; Jones/GriffinI; Benn/Watson; Sullivan/Corbett and due to the times probably Johnson/Jeffries
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decalred by who? i never expected him to win, so in MY opinion it wasnt an upset, thats all im saying
Fair enough, it certainly fits perfectly in here tho. Not a single person i spoke (many) to was picking Holyfield. In hindsight i'd take his unbelievable spirit vs any Tyson, tho i thought Holy a bit undergunned at the time having come from cruiserweight. Great fight.
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Old 07-29-2007, 06:02 AM   #15
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I believe that just before the fight the odds on the first Holyfield-Tyson fight shortened to 6-1. But thats still a pretty big underdog.
Thanks Pat, no surprise. Any fighter as good as Holyfield was worth money at those odds. Hearn's came from 4-1 to 2-1 the day of the Hill fight.
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