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Old 07-29-2007, 07:37 PM   #1
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:38 PM   #2
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I've never considered him properly.

Was his biggest fight the losing end of his draw v Corbett?
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25-30 if he's lucky.
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:40 PM   #4
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:09 AM   #5
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He only managed a draw with Corbett, and though he was 37 and tubercular, he was beat in three rounds by Jeffries.
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Ranking him relative to heavyweights from later eras is virtualy impossible due to the lack of data.

What I will say is that he was probably the best heavyweight of the period between Sullivan and Jeffries and could potentialy have been better than either of them.

A lot of people who saw him from ringside or fought him concluded that he was the greatest heavyweight of all time.

"One of the most intelligent pugilists that ever stepped into the ring. It didn’t matter whether it was a box or slug affair, Peter could adapt himself to it".

Jim Corbett

Corbett also said Jackson could defeat any fighter he had ever seen. Bear in mind that he lived until 1933. He told that he once saw Joe Choynski spar with Jackson and not manage to touch him with a glove. He added that on another occasion Jackson boxed with Bob Fitzsimmons in an exhibition and it was like a professor giving a pupil a lesson


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Old 07-30-2007, 07:13 AM   #7
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Jackson was the world’s first gloved great boxer- puncher at heavyweight. Reports say he was very fast and skilled with a stiff punch. Jackson was a big man in his day at 6’1”, 195-200 pounds, and well conditioned.

Perhaps he was vulnerable to a big puncher ( the Godfrey match was close for Jackson and Jeffries quickly hurt him and finished him ), but in the end a fighter who lacks a top resume needs film or multiple histroains to back up his greatness, and therein lies the trouble with ranking Jackson. There is no film on him, and most major historians never saw him. Jackson died young. This ruined communication for interviews. The fighters of his time felt Jackson was a great one though. I think Jackson rates somewhere in the top 20-35, but that is just me. It is possible he deserves an even higher ranking.

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But in the end a fighter who lacks a top resume needs film or multiple histroains to back up his greatness, and therein lies the trouble with ranking Jackson.
What makes you think that Jackson lacks a top resume?
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Jeffries quickly hurt him and finished him
There's no point to even mention this fight. He was already consumptive by that time.
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Ranking him relative to heavyweights from later eras is virtualy impossible due to the lack of data.

What I will say is that he was probably the best heavyweight of the period between Sullivan and Jeffries and could potentialy have been better than either of them.

A lot of people who saw him from ringside or fought him concluded that he was the greatest heavyweight of all time.

"One of the most intelligent pugilists that ever stepped into the ring. It didn’t matter whether it was a box or slug affair, Peter could adapt himself to it".

Jim Corbett

Corbett also said Jackson could defeat any fighter he had ever seen. Bear in mind that he lived until 1933. He told that he once saw Joe Choynski spar with Jackson and not manage to touch him with a glove. He added that on another occasion Jackson boxed with Bob Fitzsimmons in an exhibition and it was like a professor giving a pupil a lesson


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it's really disapointing that not even a clip of jackson exists.
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it's really disapointing that not even a clip of jackson exists.
Sadly there is not even a still photograph of him fighting.
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What makes you think that Jackson lacks a top resume?
Janitor do you thinkJacksons resume is top class?wins over Godfrey,Cardiff,Mclauliffe,and a draw with Corbett? I confess I find it hard to rate him through no fault of his own he was denied a shot at John L,reports suggest he would have beaten the ,by then dissipated Sullivan <Corbett wanted no part of a rematch,Slavin hated Jackson for years ,finally met him and took a thrashing but is this the stuff of greatness?I play it cautiously and put Jackson around the 35 mark ,though he may well have been better.
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Janitor do you thinkJacksons resume is top class?wins over Godfrey,Cardiff,Mclauliffe,and a draw with Corbett? I confess I find it hard to rate him through no fault of his own he was denied a shot at John L,reports suggest he would have beaten the ,by then dissipated Sullivan <Corbett wanted no part of a rematch,Slavin hated Jackson for years ,finally met him and took a thrashing but is this the stuff of greatness?I play it cautiously and put Jackson around the 35 mark ,though he may well have been better.
I could make a strong case that his resume was better than Corbetts.

I do not rank Jackson personaly but I have Corbett in my top 20 which you may take to mean that I think Jackson might have been at this sort of level.
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