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Old 07-31-2007, 11:25 AM   #1
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Default Top 10 MMA ATG's

Ranked on accomplishments rather than head-to-head. Any weightclass.


1. Wanderlei Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Matt Hughes
4. Dan Henderson
5. Kazushi Sakuraba
6. Randy Couture
7. Takanori Gomi
8. Masahiko Kimura
9. Royce Gracie
10. Tito Ortiz or Bas Rutten


Difficult trying to figure out the exact weighting for all of these, I'm confident in the end product.
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:17 PM   #2
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hmmm i think fedor should be number one.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:03 PM   #3
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id put bas rutten or sakuraba up as top one and two
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:57 PM   #4
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id put bas rutten or sakuraba up as top one and two
For accomplishments?
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:24 PM   #5
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Wandy at number 1 is very, very debatable considering he has quite a few outstanding losses that he has not avenged. Other than not holding the LHW belt in Pride, Shogun has beaten the more significant fighters than Wandy has, Chuck as well, over the past few years. Drop him behind Hendo and bump 2-4 up one spot and it's more on the money. Gomi doesn't feel right where he is, either. The lack of Liddell anywhere is also very wrong IMHO.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:28 PM   #6
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I would say Shogun has beat better fighters than Wanderlei and done it in more convincing fashion. (with the exception of Nakamura)
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Old 07-31-2007, 07:02 PM   #7
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Are you kidding? Bas? What the hell has he done greater than many other than be very popular?
well lets see he retired at 28-4-1

he was pancrase heavyweight champ beating future champs frank shamrock, mo smith, guy mezger.

then in his only two ufc fights he beat Tsuyoshi Koshsaka (the only guy to beat fedor, even if it was from an illegal elbow, and still was a good contender) and Kevin Randleman (who was a big badass at the time)

so a good record + two heavy weight belts + being a pioneer + beating really good competition = atg
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Old 07-31-2007, 07:54 PM   #8
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Mark Coleman has to be in the top 10. Still to this day, he is the only person to win a Pride GP, and be a UFC Champion. He was the UFC Champion, the UFC Ultimate, Ultimate Champion. Won the first pride GP, and won two UFC Tournaments.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:02 PM   #9
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Yup, Mark Coleman is an ATG.
He just didn't know when to retire and give up.
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Yup, Mark Coleman is an ATG.
He just didn't know when to retire and give up.
He just started late in age. He didn't start fighting in MMA until he was 31 years old. We never got the chance to see what a prime Coleman could do, if properly trained in MMA.
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bas rutten is definetly top 10
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I'm going to do a top 15, ranking Royce to me is like ranking Jim Jeffries and truly old time boxers of the primitive days, but his accomplishments can't be ignored.

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Randy Couture
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Matt Hughes
5. Kazushi Sakuraba
6. Dan Henderson
7. Chuck Liddell
8. Masahiko Kimura
9. Mark Coleman
10. Bas Rutten
11. Tanakori Gomi
12. Royce Gracie
13. Frank Shamrock
14. Tito Ortiz
15. Don Frye

How's this?
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I'm going to do a top 15, ranking Royce to me is like ranking Jim Jeffries and truly old time boxers of the primitive days, but his accomplishments can't be ignored.

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Randy Couture
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Matt Hughes
5. Kazushi Sakuraba
6. Dan Henderson
7. Chuck Liddell
8. Masahiko Kimura
9. Mark Coleman
10. Bas Rutten
11. Tanakori Gomi
12. Royce Gracie
13. Frank Shamrock
14. Tito Ortiz
15. Don Frye

How's this?
Nice to see Kimura up so high--few give him the credit he deserves. All in all, it's a great list, and re-emphasizes that I must place Coleman higher.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:09 PM   #14
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Nice to see Kimura up so high--few give him the credit he deserves. All in all, it's a great list, and re-emphasizes that I must place Coleman higher.
I really enjoy Frank Shamrock's work, it's too bad he never accomplished what he was capable of, he could have been a definite top 5 under the right circumstances.

But as it stands, I have him bottom top 15.

Do you think Royce should be over Coleman? I personally don't.

In a top 20, I'm wondering if Severn, Funaki, K. Shamrock would be in there...

Notice Rickson's nowhere to be found? He's not even in my top 35.
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I really enjoy Frank Shamrock's work, it's too bad he never accomplished what he was capable of, he could have been a definite top 5 under the right circumstances.

But as it stands, I have him bottom top 15.

Do you think Royce should be over Coleman? I personally don't.

In a top 20, I'm wondering if Severn, Funaki, K. Shamrock would be in there...

Notice Rickson's nowhere to be found? He's not even in my top 35.
Well, Royce beat the #2 and #3 guys of his era, so that should count for something. Then again, Coleman was a wrecking machine. He probably belongs a hair above Royce, now that I think a bout it. Funaki deserves to be a bit below Shamrock and Rutten, since both managed to win titles in the UFC in addition to their Pancrase accomplishments.
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