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Old 08-01-2007, 06:34 AM   #1
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Default Who do you think won the 15th round ?

Larry Holmes vs. Ken Norton

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I've heard this round decided the fight, and all 3 judges had Holmes winning it.

Looks to me as if Norton deserved it though.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:49 AM   #2
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As far as I know, the scoring was 2-1 Holmes in the last round, all three judges having the fight evan going intho the last round.
Lst time I scored the fight, I gave the last round to Holmes, but had him in front anyway. I see the fight something like 9-6 Holmes.

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Old 08-01-2007, 07:05 AM   #3
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Norton won the last round, but Larry should have been three or four in front anyway.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:19 AM   #4
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Who do you think won the 15th round ?

I think Holmes won the fight, and the 15th round was even due to Holmes hurting Norton late in the round. But the true answer to who won the 15 round is the fans of boxing. This was our last great 15th round in a heavyweight title match. Everything was on the line, and both fighters came out to win it. I miss 15 rounds.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:29 AM   #5
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Larry Holmes vs. Ken Norton

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I've heard this round decided the fight, and all 3 judges had Holmes winning it.

Looks to me as if Norton deserved it though.
Norton won the round. He literally punched himself out on Holmes who made a rally in the last 30 seconds, but had badly lost the first two minutes and thirty seconds.

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Old 08-01-2007, 09:59 AM   #6
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Default Re: Who do you think won the 15th round ?

For years, when I had only just read about the fight, every single account had Holmes biting down to take the final round in a heroic last stand. Then I saw the fight...........

I agree, Norton clearly won that round. I still had Holmes winning 8-7, so it wasn't as if the 15th was the decider (at least to me) but I guess it makes for a much better story the other way. One could argue that if the 15th were in fact the deciding round here, and Holmes was awarded it, the judges got it wrong.
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:14 AM   #7
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Like Sal, I also thought that Norton won the last round and I also had the fight 8-7 for Holmes.
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Old 08-01-2007, 12:44 PM   #8
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Hearns did pretty good in that round. If you award points on who hurts who, then Holmes had Norton in trouble at the end. Holmes rolled with a lot of those punches. He reminds me of the way Robinson would take shots, but never the full impact of them. But I had Holmes way out in front, so he could lose that round and win the fight. Norton let too many of the early rounds go by. He needed a knockout to win.
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Old 08-01-2007, 12:55 PM   #9
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I mean Holmes. I had just written a post on Hearns and it carried over. (That's embarrassing.)
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:40 PM   #10
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I don't know. I have to review it.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:54 PM   #11
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A great deal of post fight controversy was milked out of the scoring of that final round, but as somebody who was rooting for Norton at the time, I was convinced that Larry had the match sewn up on the cards after round ten. In my mind, Ken wasn't entering the final round to try to win on points, but to take Holmes out before the bell ended it for him.

I also felt that the classic ending was a close judgement call which could have gone either way.

What's actually kind of unfortunate about all this concentration on that closing three minutes is that it has completely overshadowed Larry's utter domination of Ken over the first half of the match. Everybody I was watching it with was rooting for Norton as well, but felt he needed a kayo to retain his title as the match entered the concluding chapter. For my money the question should be, "Why did the judges have it even after 14 rounds?"

Larry's early domination of Ken was even more stunning because of the universal knowledge that his left tricep was torn going into the match. I and those at my friend's graduation party who were watching it, were wondering if Norton would have been able to go the distance against a Holmes with two healthy arms. (The next time Larry entered a bout with a fully healed left arm, he knocked out Ocasio with his jab.)

While Shavers scored an electrifying upset over Kenny to obtain a title fight rematch with Holmes, it was not widely expected that Larry would lose after his dominance in the first contest with Earnie. Although Shavers entered their second battle with tremendous confidence off of his demoliton of Norton, the fact remains that Earnie only won the KD round in the Holmes rematch, and arguably should have only been awarded it by one point instead of two. (Under Olympic amateur judging, Larry would have won all 22 of their completed rounds.)

Holmes/Norton II was the rematch most of us wanted to see, although most everybody had great affection for Earnie as a person. (Norton didn't generally come across as that lovable a character.) How would a comebacking Norton have done against a Holmes with two healthy arms? Because of Kenny's ineptitude against sluggers, we'll never know, but nobody ever outboxed Norton as badly as a hampered Larry did over the first seven rounds of their classic. That first seven rounds should be required viewing for all of Larry's critics. (As should the complete 12 rounds of his first match with Shavers.)

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Old 08-01-2007, 03:06 PM   #12
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Default Re: Who do you think won the 15th round ?

Holmes was three or four in front by the 15th round so it was irrelevent. I remember this huge uppercut snapping Kens head back and the tide changes. I think this may have swayed the judges.
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I scored the 15th for Norton, but the fight for Holmes.
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:08 PM   #14
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I still can't make up my mind.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:14 PM   #15
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Default Re: Who do you think won the 15th round ?

Agree with you once again Duo,

Holmes jabbing performance against Shavers I is really masterful.

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A great deal of post fight controversy was milked out of the scoring of that final round, but as somebody who was rooting for Norton at the time, I was convinced that Larry had the match sewn up on the cards after round ten. In my mind, Ken wasn't entering the final round to try to win on points, but to take Holmes out before the bell ended it for him.

I also felt that the classic ending was a close judgement call which could have gone either way.

What's actually kind of unfortunate about all this concentration on that closing three minutes is that it has completely overshadowed Larry's utter domination of Ken over the first half of the match. Everybody I was watching it with was rooting for Norton as well, but felt he needed a kayo to retain his title as the match entered the concluding chapter. For my money the question should be, "Why did the judges have it even after 14 rounds?"

Larry's early domination of Ken was even more stunning because of the universal knowledge that his left tricep was torn going into the match. I and those at my friend's graduation party who were watching it, were wondering if Norton would have been able to go the distance against a Holmes with two healthy arms. (The next time Larry entered a bout with a fully healed left arm, he knocked out Ocasio with his jab.)

While Shavers scored an electrifying upset over Kenny to obtain a title fight rematch with Holmes, it was not widely expected that Larry would lose after his dominance in the first contest with Earnie. Although Shavers entered their second battle with tremendous confidence of his demoliton of Norton, the fact remains that Earnie only won the KD round in the Holmes rematch, and arguably should have only been awarded it by one point instead of two. (Under Olympic amateur judging, Larry would have won all 22 of their completed rounds.)

Holmes/Norton II was the rematch most of us wanted to see, although most everybody had great affection for Earnie as a person. (Norton didn't generally come across as that lovable a character.) How would a comebacking Norton have done against a Holmes with two healthy arms? Because of Kenny's ineptitude against sluggers, we'll never know, but nobody ever outboxed Norton as badly as a hampered Larry did over the first seven rounds of their classic. That first seven rounds should be required viewing for all of Larry's critics. (As should the complete 12 rounds of his first match with Shavers.)
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