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Old 07-29-2007, 04:29 PM   #1
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1 Ali- Champ 1964-1967, 1974-1978, 1978-1979

2 Louis - Longest reigning camp.

3 Marciano- Never lost a fight.

4 Foreman- Twice champ with a twenty year gap.

5 Holyfield- 4 time champ.
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6 Dempsey - Most 1st Rd KO's
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:42 PM   #3
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how many has he got?
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Old 07-29-2007, 04:45 PM   #4
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how many has he got?
Think its 25, he supposedly has the most of the HW champs

Tyson has 23 I think

* Actually website I checked says 26*
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Floyd Patterson- Youngest ever champion at the time and first heavyweight to regain the title. Plus the last linear heavyweight champ to win the title while weighing under the cruiserweight limit 190.
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Floyd Patterson- Youngest ever champion at the time and first heavyweight to regain the title. Plus the last linear heavyweight champ to win the title while weighing under the cruiserweight limit 190.
He's also the HW champ who's been knocked down the most
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:11 PM   #7
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1 Ali- Champ 1964-1967, 1974-1978, 1978-1979

2 Louis - Longest reigning camp.

3 Marciano- Never lost a fight.

4 Foreman- Twice champ with a twenty year gap.

5 Holyfield- 4 time champ.
It's a good list, but I want to take issue with one thing. Holyfield was not four-time world champion. He was two-time world champion. He won belts, but he did not hold the world championship more than two times, and I think you should recognize that. Muhammad Ali is the only three-time world heavyweight champion, and his record should stand until it really is broken.

This isn't a big deal, but you might also want to note that Ali defended his title 19 times, which is second only to Joe Louis, and Ali's title defenses were against much better opposition.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:12 PM   #8
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He's also the HW champ who's been knocked down the most
And got up the most times after being knocked down.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:12 PM   #9
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1 Ali- Champ 1964-1967, 1974-1978, 1978-1979

2 Louis - Longest reigning camp.

3 Marciano- Never lost a fight.

4 Foreman- Twice champ with a twenty year gap.

5 Holyfield- 4 time champ.
My list:
1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano
4. Lewis
5. Johnson

I would like to say about Marciano that I would not consider going undefeated as a pro his greatest accomplishment. I think it was knocking out every man he fought who was ever rated in either the initial bout or a rematch. No one else has come close to that.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:13 PM   #10
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6 Dempsey - Most 1st Rd KO's
But you know, many of those were just barnstorm fights against local tough men.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:16 PM   #11
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And got up the most times after being knocked down.
Getting knocked down more than anyone else in history isn't something to be proud of, however you spin it.
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I think Harry Wills deserves a mention. He has seventy-odd victories over "name" fighters during his career, more than any other heavyweight. Few heavyweights even have seventy-odd fights.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:26 PM   #13
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Getting knocked down more than anyone else in history isn't something to be proud of, however you spin it.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Not sure.

Some of the most durable fighters in history have been guys who were relatively easy to knock down but almost impossible to put out.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:33 PM   #14
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1. Louis-turned two eras into the bum of the month club. Even managed to destroy the colour bar to boot.

2. Ali-Beat a deeper body of ace opposition than anybody else.

3. Langford-Beat the best and beat them regularly in a desperate atempt to get a title fight.

4. Jeffries-Tore the division apart in his first dozen fights and beat every great heavyweight
since Sullivan.

5. Johnson-Like Langford he had a serious rampage in the heavyweight division beating the best multiple times.
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Old 07-29-2007, 05:38 PM   #15
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When you get up and win it is.
Yes but when you get knocked out in 1 round twice it's not good.
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