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Old 07-31-2007, 09:46 PM   #31
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yah but the wrestler, bjj, have the advantage
maybe the wrestler, not so much the bjj guy

ever see someone try to pull guard in the street, not so great
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:46 PM   #32
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What if its a 3month boxer......like Mr Viciousboxer77?
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:48 PM   #33
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oh yeah the gracie challenges, and now you are going to tell me how art jimmerson was the best boxer ever to live and he was so prepared for his fight with royce and royce still ran though him

yawn


and once again im not talking about legit MMA guys, im talking BJJ only and hs wrestlers only.


Never once have I said boxerswould be or are king of the streets
What exactly are you comparing? A professional boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy, or a 3 month boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy?

Jimmerson didn't train for Gracie because boxers don't do that. That's what makes them boxers rather than MMA guys. And we can assume the same for the hypothetical "streetfight" boxer...unless he took MMA lessons, in which case he's an MMA guy.

The fight isn't necessarily over when it reaches the ground, and the boxer can still fight back as you say. But the point is that a wrestler will have a superior position, even if he hasn't trained any ground striking (neither has the boxer). All other things being equal, the wrestler has a big advantage because of position.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:48 PM   #34
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alright so what your asking who would win in a fight. Mike tyson or a 3 month 120 pd BJJ guy?
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:48 PM   #35
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What if its a 3month boxer......like Mr Viciousboxer77?
then most likely its going to be an ugly roll around on the ground and pull each others hair fight, lol
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maybe the wrestler, not so much the bjj guy

ever see someone try to pull guard in the street, not so great
Pulling guard on the pavement won't work, I agree.

But if we have a hypothetical BJJ student vs. a hypothetical boxer who are otherwise equal, the BJJ guy probably has more takedown experience than the boxer (who doesn't have any). So it's more likely that the BJJ guy takes him down.

And I can see your point on the nature of street fights. But there are still greater/lesser probabilities of success with certain styles--otherwise everyone would train Tai Chi and have a 50-50 chance of beating Marvin Hagler.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:51 PM   #37
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What exactly are you comparing? A professional boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy, or a 3 month boxer vs. a 3 month BJJ guy?

Jimmerson didn't train for Gracie because boxers don't do that. That's what makes them boxers rather than MMA guys. And we can assume the same for the hypothetical "streetfight" boxer...unless he took MMA lessons, in which case he's an MMA guy.

The fight isn't necessarily over when it reaches the ground, and the boxer can still fight back as you say. But the point is that a wrestler will have a superior position, even if he hasn't trained any ground striking (neither has the boxer). All other things being equal, the wrestler has a big advantage because of position.
i meant to say pro boxer in the original post, but that doesnt even matter.

all im saying is a streetfight doesnt resemble anything like an MMA fight, so why most of you MMA fanboys try to pull out how such and shuch would kill (enter boxers name here) on the street is retarded.

It is all speculation. So dont ****ing bring it up.
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then most likely its going to be an ugly roll around on the ground and pull each others hair fight, lol
The ViciousBoxer "Ground n' Slap".
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Pulling guard on the pavement won't work, I agree.

But if we have a hypothetical BJJ student vs. a hypothetical boxer who are otherwise equal, the BJJ guy probably has more takedown experience than the boxer (who doesn't have any). So it's more likely that the BJJ guy takes him down.

And I can see your point on the nature of street fights. But there are still greater/lesser probabilities of success with certain styles--otherwise everyone would train Tai Chi and have a 50-50 chance of beating Marvin Hagler.
but then again if someone just trains in BJJ they arent used to the possibility of being popped when taking down, see my point.

its all pointless debating, lol
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i meant to say pro boxer in the original post, but that doesnt even matter.

all im saying is a streetfight doesnt resemble anything like an MMA fight, so why most of you MMA fanboys try to pull out how such and shuch would kill (enter boxers name here) on the street is retarded.

It is all speculation. So dont ****ing bring it up.
no rampage would kill any boxer.
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i meant to say pro boxer in the original post, but that doesnt even matter.

all im saying is a streetfight doesnt resemble anything like an MMA fight, so why most of you MMA fanboys try to pull out how such and shuch would kill (enter boxers name here) on the street is retarded.

It is all speculation. So dont ****ing bring it up.
The point they're making is that MMA skills have a lot more carry-over to a no-rules environment than boxing skills (which in turn have a lot more carry-over than, for instance, Tae Kwon Do) since they compete in something closer to no-rules. In the absence of weapons, it is a valid point n'est pas?

Also, I would not consider myself an MMA fanboy. I was interested in martial arts before I was interested in MMA or in boxing.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:54 PM   #42
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no rampage would kill any boxer.

yeah ok

if you say so, with all of your knowledge on streetfighting.

I mean no boxer has even been a good wrestler in high school or college, and once again you must not be familiar with street fights.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:55 PM   #43
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So one of those who's never been in a fight vs a a world class boxer? That seems a bit unfair? Why not a 3 month boxer vs a 3 month BJJ practitioner? You know, even it up a bit.

And you were originally making fun of Iron Duke's post for picking Royce Gracie to win, so when did the whole "3 month BJJ guy" thing come into play? What does that matter?

If it's a 3 month BJJ guy he should be against a 3 month boxer to even the playing fields. etc.
lol

fine, ill still probably take the 3 month boxer over a 3 month bjj guy.

at least the boxer has dealt with getting hit before.
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but then again if someone just trains in BJJ they arent used to the possibility of being popped when taking down, see my point.

its all pointless debating, lol
True with the punching point. But fights do have a tendency to enter clinch range rather more often than staying in long range.

Yeah...I guess it's pointless. We'd need to find a couple hundred 3-month boxers, wrestlers, and BJJ guys to test it first.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:56 PM   #45
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lol. ive been in a ton more street fights then you. if you live near tucson i have a few people that are wrestlers that would be more than willing to show you how wrestlers will destroy a boxer
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