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Old 07-31-2007, 05:03 PM   #1
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(In some cases, fighters may not be true-born Philadelphians but instead adopted sons, but this is balanced out by the fact the state of New York is bigger than Philadelphia. Also, fighters are as evenly matched as possible; there is a better Philadelphian middleweight than Giardello, for instance [Bernard Hopkins], but there would be no point pitting him against LaMotta because everybody would come to the same conclusion).

Joe Frazier vs. Mike Tyson

Harold Johnson vs. Gene Tunney

Joey Giardello vs. Jake LaMotta

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Old 07-31-2007, 05:12 PM   #3
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Ive never heard of sonny liston having any sort of relationship with philadelphia.
Me neither, to be fair. I took all the Philadelphians from the phillyboxinghistory site. I'll swap him for Joe Frazier.
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Ive never heard of sonny liston having any sort of relationship with philadelphia.

You obviously don't know much about Liston then. It was his adopted hometown.
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Old 07-31-2007, 05:14 PM   #5
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You obviously don't know much about Liston then. It was his adopted hometown.
No parade for him though...of the plane and home, belt in the bag.
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You obviously don't know much about Liston then. It was his adopted hometown.
... I used to know a lot about Liston but this fact has slipped my mind. Too much resentment towards heavyweights, I'm practically clueless about them now. I'm sticking with Frazier anyway because he was a bit more Philadelphian.
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No parade for him though...of the plane and home, belt in the bag.

I bet there was no parade for Murray Sutherland when he won a world crown either.
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Old 07-31-2007, 05:19 PM   #8
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... I used to know a lot about Liston but this fact has slipped my mind. Too much resentment towards heavyweights, I'm practically clueless about them now.
This attitude of yours is not healthy.

Try Ali-Frazier III or Louis-Conn, you can't beat it.

Only equal it.
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This attitude of yours is not healthy.

Try Ali-Frazier III or Louis-Conn, you can't beat it.

Only equal it.
Heavyweights used to be interesting, but that's all everybody talks about. It's not so bad lately, but there was a time when roughly forty of the last fifty threads would be to do with heavyweights.
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Funny enough, nearly all the casual fans I know dislike heavyweight boxing. It is, on average, a pretty poor division to watch.
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(In some cases, fighters may not be true-born Philadelphians but instead adopted sons, but this is balanced out by the fact the state of New York is bigger than Philadelphia. Also, fighters are as evenly matched as possible; there is a better Philadelphian middleweight than Giardello, for instance [Bernard Hopkins], but there would be no point pitting him against LaMotta because everybody would come to the same conclusion).

Joe Frazier vs. Mike Tyson

Harold Johnson vs. Gene Tunney

Joey Giardello vs. Jake LaMotta

Ike Williams vs. Tony Canzoneri

Benny Bass vs. Johnny Dundee

Jeff Chandler vs. Joe Lynch

Midget Wolgast vs. Frankie Genaro
People need to stop with the Frazier vs. Tyson, this is one of the worst style mismatches ever... Frazier comes out way to slow and would be stopped within 3 rounds, before he even starts really fighting..IF he could weather the storm for the first 4-5 rounds, he might come on top with a late stoppage or UD....But thats a huge if.
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Old 07-31-2007, 05:28 PM   #12
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Funny enough, nearly all the casual fans I know dislike heavyweight boxing. It is, on average, a pretty poor division to watch.
Today it is. Historically there have been some interesting characters. When casual fans turn into classic fans, the heavyweights are almost always who they turn to first, because they see it on the television; Ali this, Marciano that. Interest in the lighter weights follows, but only 3 in 10 fans are bothered enough to let this deeper interest manifest.
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Today it is. Historically there have been some interesting characters. When casual fans turn into classic fans, the heavyweights are almost always who they turn to first, because they see it on the television; Ali this, Marciano that. Interest in the lighter weights follows, but only 3 in 10 fans are bothered enough to let this deeper interest manifest.
They can be purer as well - heavyweights can be more elemental, if you see what I mean.

A featherweight Liston is almost impossible.

So is a middleweight Foreman, can you imagine? He would never win a fight. I think this makes ring generalship more important. Ring generalship and their interactions CAN make the drama of a fight.
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