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Old 08-01-2007, 05:46 AM   #46
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I'd like to see how well Cotto takes a shot to the body at 147 first though, I think people favouring Cotto think his body punching would eventually break down Tszyu at the higher weight, but Tszyus' left hook to the body is more devastating and explosive than any single body punch in Cottos arsenal.
I think KT's right hand is harder and more explosive in KT's arsenal, but Cotto has the harder body punchers. He has shorter arms, tighter punches and gets more leverage. He is also naturally a leftie so his left hook and left to the body are the hardest punches he throws. Cotto definitely throws the harder body shots IMO.
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:53 AM   #47
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I think KT's right hand is harder and more explosive in KT's arsenal, but Cotto has the harder body punchers. He has shorter arms, tighter punches and gets more leverage. He is also naturally a leftie so his left hook and left to the body are the hardest punches he throws. Cotto definitely throws the harder body shots IMO.
In general yes, but not the left hook to the body, no way. The Hurtado fight is one example that springs to mind.
Also their arms are about the same length, I wouldn't say the leverage he gets on the left hook is better, nor is it really a tighter punch.

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Old 08-01-2007, 11:43 PM   #48
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Mosley is a great body puncher and will def test Cottos ability to take punches downstairs.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:51 PM   #49
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Mosley is a great body puncher and will def test Cottos ability to take punches downstairs.
Quitana gave Cotto a thing or two to think about with some long lefts to the belly. Thing is Carlos couldnt take it to the body as well as he could dish it out.

Mosley isnt the body puncher he was though. Back in the day his combos to the gut were terrifying, but now he has slowed slightly and isnt the same beast mentally. More one shot at a time now.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:52 PM   #50
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Quitana gave Cotto a thing or two to think about with some long lefts to the belly. Thing is Carlos couldnt take it to the body as well as he could dish it out.

Mosley isnt the body puncher he was though. Back in the day his combos to the gut were terrifying, but now he has slowed slightly and isnt the same beast mentally. More one shot at a time now.
I agree. I am actually more worried about the counter right hand of Mosley to be honest.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:57 PM   #51
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That choppy one he bring over the top sometimes aye?? Very quick, usually pretty powerful.

Thats definitely a punch I see Miguel eating several timeswhen they fight.
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:32 AM   #52
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That choppy one he bring over the top sometimes aye?? Very quick, usually pretty powerful.

Thats definitely a punch I see Miguel eating several timeswhen they fight.
Thats the one. The same punch that caught Oscar so many times. I expect him to loop it and try to throw it over the top of Cotto's high guard.
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:34 AM   #53
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Thats the one. The same punch that caught Oscar so many times. I expect him to loop it and try to throw it over the top of Cotto's high guard.
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:35 AM   #54
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In general yes, but not the left hook to the body, no way. The Hurtado fight is one example that springs to mind.
Also their arms are about the same length, I wouldn't say the leverage he gets on the left hook is better, nor is it really a tighter punch.
I can't see this arguement getting anywhere but I heavily disagree. Cottos best punch is his left hook to the body. He is a shorter fighter, and throws tighter punches. Kostya being a European fighter likes more range to be effective. The body shot against Hurtardo was good, but watch any Cotto fight and you will see numerous great hooks to the body. Plus being that his left hand is his strongest, and the fact that he naturally fights in close quarters, he puts his whole body into the punch to deliver maximum power. No way Kostya has a better left hook to the body then Cotto.
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:36 AM   #55
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:46 AM   #56
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Kostya has never been a dedicated body puncher.
The Johnson and Hurtado fights he used it well in more out of neccessity. Maybe not neccessity but it was opportunistic, the opportunity to go to body was to much to give away.

Cotto goes there not matter who he is against or what style they have. It just the frequency and punch choice that differs from fighter to fighter.

To be honest comparing Tsyzu body left hook to Cotto's is like comparing Cotto's right hand to Tszyu's. Both do it well but one does it better.
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Old 08-02-2007, 12:51 AM   #57
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Kostya has never been a dedicated body puncher.
The Johnson and Hurtado fights he used it well in more out of neccessity. Maybe not neccessity but it was opportunistic, the opportunity to go to body was to much to give away.

Cotto goes there not matter who he is against or what style they have. It just the frequency and punch choice that differs from fighter to fighter.

To be honest comparing Tsyzu body left hook to Cotto's is like comparing Cotto's right hand to Tszyu's. Both do it well but one does it better.
Great post. Couldn't have said it better.
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Old 08-02-2007, 01:32 AM   #58
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At this stage I'd pick Tszyu by knockout. It's a shame but his loss to Hatton appears to have diminished his standing somewhat, which is ridiculous IMO. He was well past his best and still put up a huge battle.
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Old 08-02-2007, 01:52 AM   #59
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At this stage I'd pick Tszyu by knockout. It's a shame but his loss to Hatton appears to have diminished his standing somewhat, which is ridiculous IMO. He was well past his best and still put up a huge battle.
I wouldn't say his standing is diminished. Cotto at 147 has looked very strong. he has already beaten Judah who is arguably the best name on KT's resume, and if he beats Mosley then he will have defeated a fighter better then anyone else on KT's resume. Cotto is still unproven which is why I picked KT as well, but if Cotto can beat a couple more of boxings top guys at 147, surely a case can be made that he could beat Kostya. Not a knock on Kostya, more just a wrap on Cotto. Kostya is a great fighter but I think the Phillips loss took much more away from him then the hatton bout. He just fought the wrong fight against Hatton and let his ego get in the way. I have no doubt he could have beaten hatton if he had fought a smarter fight.
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Old 08-02-2007, 01:56 AM   #60
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At this stage I'd pick Tszyu by knockout. It's a shame but his loss to Hatton appears to have diminished his standing somewhat, which is ridiculous IMO. He was well past his best and still put up a huge battle.
What hurts Kostya is the fact that overall his competition wasn't outstanding compared to other ATG fighters and that is what his detractors point out time and time again. I prefer to look at the way he beat people. Particularly for me, the way he bashed Gonzalez was extremely impressive, as was his second win over mitchell and the win over a young and undefeated Zab Judah. Earlier in his career he beat a lot of name fighters, but for the most past they were well past there best. Particularly in the case of Chavez. Regardless the way he beat them was very impressive. If Kostya had faced Mayweather instead of hatton and pulled off a victory, he would without a doubt be the greatest 140lb fighter of all time.
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