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Old 08-01-2007, 08:13 AM   #31
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even if he does win isnt going to get as much credentials as lewis did when he stopped mcCall or rahman as both of them either had a title or were in the elimination stage.
I don't think Wlad would get much credit if he beats Sanders, because Sanders isn't the same boxer he was 5 years ago.
Same thing with Lewis vs McCall. The crying McCall with withdrawal symptoms wasn't the one that stopped Lewis.

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Old 08-01-2007, 08:15 AM   #32
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I don't think Wlad would get much credit if he beats Sanders, because Sanders isn't the same boxer he was 5 years ago.
Same thing with Lewis vs McCall. The crying McCall with withdrawal symptoms wasn't the one that stopped Lewis.
The McCall that stopped Lewis was the one that had withdrawl symptoms, and he was crying in the dressing room BEFORE that fight.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:17 AM   #33
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ATG and HOF are two very different standards. Wlad is going to the Hall. I don't know if he'll go down as an ATG though. In this weak division, he'd have a chance if he unifies and then has a long, dominant reign as the recognized champ.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:18 AM   #34
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So why is Tyson an ATG?
He's a ATG with his special behaviour outside the ring.



Same thing with Ike Ibeabuchi. I dunno any other inactive boxer, about whom every month a thread like "Where is XY?" get opened.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:38 AM   #35
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I disagree.


I dont think Vitali is great.

Wlad has shown alot more than VK has. The only thing VK has ever shown in the ring is what face muscles look like under the skin.
agree, Wlad is much better than vitaly and has fought and won better competition.
vitaly is known only for his loss to lennox who indeed was great but thats pretty much it

and i think wlad would beat vitaly!
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:50 AM   #36
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So Lennox Lewis has no right to be an ATG, isn´t it? He lost to midlevel fighters Mccall and Rahman, who aren´t better than Brewster or Sanders.....

As well as Sonny Liston, who lost to Marty Marshall (who?).

BTW Klitchko had his losses before his prime. Especially the loss to Puritty was nothing but unexperience.....but never a lack of skill....

I think denying him a priori an ATG-status is nonsense....
Ali- Down four times, stopped one in the extreme twilight of his career.

Louis- Down 11 times, stopped twice, once in the extreme twilight of his career. The only time not against a big pucher was a flash knoeckdown agaisnt Braddock.

Lewis- down twice, stopped twice.

Marciano- down twice, never stopped.

I don't know about Johnson, accept that he was put on the canvas by Ketchell (under special circumstances), Chonski, and Willard.

Demspsey was stopped by Flynn, and put on the canves three times by Firpo. Possibly a coupel more.

I know Frazier had something like 16 KDs, but 6 of them were against Foreman.

I do not conider PAtterson and ATG. He might prove your point for those who do.

Holyfield went down agaisnt Bowe a couple of times,and was stopped by Bowe and Toney.

Holmes stopped only against Tyson, put down by Snipes and Shaver (did Weaver put him down? Don't remember).

Tyson had the douglas debaucle, was stopped agasint Holyfield, and those last two atrocious fights.

Liston down once stopped threee times.

Charles or Walcott would probably help make your point.

Jeffries, stopped once, might have been down a couple of times, but I don;t think so.

You know, on the balance, I am just not seeing it.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:01 AM   #37
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So why is Tyson an ATG? He dominated a division as weak as nowadays (no discussion) and was KTFO in his prime to B-level fighter Douglas. After his comeback in 95 he never ever baet someone worth to mention.....
Wlad has already done two things I feel need to be done to prove ones ATG standing (2 things tyson never did BTW).

1. Avenge a loss.
2. Come off the canvas to win a fight.

He can certainly be an ATG if he continues on this path of improvement. But he REALLY needs a brutal opponent to define him. We really need to see him taken into very deep waters.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:02 AM   #38
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If he can unify and beat all comers for years, then sure, he can get there, but he'll need to do more than fighters from other eras because the current crop of heavies is so weak. Basically, he'll need to do what Holmes did.
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:17 AM   #39
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He hasn't really done anything so far.
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Old 08-01-2007, 12:55 PM   #40
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seems to me that even when he does win now, its always with asterisk, (*despite the losses to sanders, brewster). and his opposition isnt credited for facing the best hw in the world, they just as often questioned for losing to a guy with "no heart" and "no chin"...

whats worse is there simply doesnt seem to be the competition out there to change any of it. if he beats povetkin, holyfield, and any of the other current title holders in his next 3 fights...does that really raise his status all that much? even if LL came back and fought him, it would be a middle aged over the hill LL that wlad wouldnt get credit for...


so fair or not, is it even possible for him to reach any kind of ATG status?
ATG???? don't know but he is already a Hall of Famer. Not that he's done a tremendous amount in a very weak HW division, but he's done a lot with the current crop of HW's and he's dominated MOST of them. So he's setting himself up for a great career if he can continue on this path.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:00 PM   #41
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I don't think Wlad would get much credit if he beats Sanders, because Sanders isn't the same boxer he was 5 years ago.
Same thing with Lewis vs McCall. The crying McCall with withdrawal symptoms wasn't the one that stopped Lewis.
does not matter at this point, If Vlad was prepared for Sanders the first time and not cold walking in, the fight may have been different,Sanders will always be a dangerous 3 round fighter
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:05 PM   #42
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Sure he can, all he has to do is beat all the champions out there WBC/WBA, clean out the division and he's got it. I don't think it'll be any difficult for him to accomplish that at this point and he will deserve it 100%, will be surprised if anyone disagrees after he accomplishes that.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:06 PM   #43
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well he has to fight at least 8 fighters to be the undisputed champ and take on the top contenders. he only fights 1-2 times a year. its gonna by around 6 years before he'll be considered an ATG
1-2 times a year? he fought twice this year already
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:08 PM   #44
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1-2 times a year? he fought twice this year already
Exactly, I don't understand how anyone would question Wladimir's activity, he's always active.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:12 PM   #45
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Of course he can & I believe he will.
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