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Old 10-31-2011, 07:26 PM   #46
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Supporters of Ali's punching power are full of shit.

What are you all trying to prove? That Ali wasn't a complete little piss rat who couldn't dent a bean bag? Nobody's this thick, **** off.

Yes, he could knock a fighter out. Every boxer can, especially world class heavyweights. This is some stupid shit to be explaining.

And of course he could hit hard when he 'sat down' on his punches. Again, every boxer can.

Point is, he didn't. Let's take Ali for the fighter he was, shall we, and not what he could have been. Ali, for better or worse, was not a powerful puncher, or even above average.

By the way, 5/10 is average. 7/10 is not. And there is no way Ali was a 7/10 puncher.

Yeah, maybe he could have been.

But he wasn't.

Come to think of it, I would suggest that a lot of Ali fans have probably been looking at the tapes and thinking 'shit, he does actually throw some weak punches.' Now it's overcompensation. They're all examining the fights trying to pick out the best punches to prove he wasn't a complete faggot because in the back of their minds they sense he wasn't as perfect as they wished he was.

Me, I don't care. Ali was great in a multitude of facets, but he wasn't when it came punching technique and consistent applicable power.

Let this end.
i agree with all this...and I'd like to tie a point into this discussion...that if Ali was such a great puncher, then Joe Frazier indeed had a granite chin.
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:28 PM   #47
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Absolutely average. There were hundreds and hundreds of heavyweights in history who hit harder than Ali.
This is true too.
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:09 PM   #48
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Wouldn't call Ali a big puncher, but if an opponent gassed out on him --even an opponent with a good/great chin -- he could put it together for a KO or stoppage. To finish against Ali, stamina was probably a bigger factor than chin.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:31 AM   #49
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He was a big strong man and his shots were so accurate and quick...right to the chin!
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:19 AM   #50
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i agree with all this...and I'd like to tie a point into this discussion...that if Ali was such a great puncher, then Joe Frazier indeed had a granite chin.
Well,Joe's chin WAS pretty solid. Only George Foreman could stop him,in his time in the ring.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:35 AM   #51
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If you put full power into a shot you are more open for a counter. Clearly he put defense as a higher priority than koIng opponents.
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Old 11-02-2011, 08:49 AM   #52
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Supporters of Ali's punching power are full of shit.

What are you all trying to prove? That Ali wasn't a complete little piss rat who couldn't dent a bean bag? Nobody's this thick, **** off.

Yes, he could knock a fighter out. Every boxer can, especially world class heavyweights. This is some stupid shit to be explaining.

And of course he could hit hard when he 'sat down' on his punches. Again, every boxer can.

Point is, he didn't. Let's take Ali for the fighter he was, shall we, and not what he could have been. Ali, for better or worse, was not a powerful puncher, or even above average.

By the way, 5/10 is average. 7/10 is not. And there is no way Ali was a 7/10 puncher.

Yeah, maybe he could have been.

But he wasn't.

Come to think of it, I would suggest that a lot of Ali fans have probably been looking at the tapes and thinking 'shit, he does actually throw some weak punches.' Now it's overcompensation. They're all examining the fights trying to pick out the best punches to prove he wasn't a complete faggot because in the back of their minds they sense he wasn't as perfect as they wished he was.

Me, I don't care. Ali was great in a multitude of facets, but he wasn't when it came punching technique and consistent applicable power.

Let this end.
The above is a truth that too many find unpalatable. For example, all we ever hear these days is "Norton didn't like punchers"...but, if Ali was such a puncher, as some seem to be claiming, how did Norton go 39 rounds with him?

Revisionist nonsense, imo.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:35 AM   #53
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yeah really quite surprised about the shit frazier gets on here in regards to his chin. let's hear them talk that same shit about joe louis.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:45 AM   #54
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Let's just say he wasn't a big powerpuncher but not featherfisted either. He was a real HW with average power, and we all know that a real HW with average power can bang and hurt any man. Plus his punches were accurate.
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:41 PM   #55
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Id give him a five. Foreman fell from exhaustion and some quick but not devastating punches.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:07 AM   #56
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Ali also had issues with his hands.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:22 AM   #57
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Power can't help but be roped into effectiveness because power counts for nothing if it doesn't land. Academic stuff.

As such Ali was a decent puncher; when compelled to do so. His finishing abilities weren't half bad. Those uppercuts on Frazier in FOTC and the right that finished off Foreman were cracking blows that anyone would do well to suffer.

Again, the accuracy of them can't help but be roped into that cumbersome 'power' category.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:26 AM   #58
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Question.

Is Ali's Power Overlooked ?

Yes

It is overlooked, because he was a stylish-boxer first and foremost.

If you go back and read all the boxing magazine articles from the early 60's, most of his opponents stated that his punches started to hurt after time during the fight.

Charlie Powell had stated, that the first punches from Cassius Clay were that of
an average punching heavyweight, but as the fight wore on, they started to hurt.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:38 AM   #59
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He could definitely hit and cracked more granite chins than most fighters (Liston, Bonavena, Foreman).
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:10 AM   #60
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He could definitely hit and cracked more granite chins than most fighters (Liston, Bonavena, Foreman).
McG,,,,,,

I don't think the Knock Outs over Foreman and Bonavena were a result of
Ali's power.

More of exhaustion on the opponents, and an accumulation of punches
absorbed.

The Liston fights ????
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