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Old 08-02-2007, 08:32 AM   #1
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Default Lineage of the "White Heavyweight Title"

While Jack Johnson was champion a White Heavyweight title was established whish mirrored the coloured heavyweight title that Johnson had held previously. After Jess Willard won the oficial title back from Jack Johnson interest resceeded and it disapeared.

It none the less merits a closer look. This is ists lineage as far as I can determine-

01/01/1913
Luther McCarthy and Al Palzer fight for the newly created White Title.

McCarthy TKO 18

McCarthy defeats Fireman Flyn and Frank Moran though I cannot find any refference to these being defences of the White Title.

24/05/1913
Luther McCarthy defends the White Title against Arthur Pelkey and is tragicaly killed loosing the title in the process.

Pelkey KO 1

01/01/1914
Arthur Pelkey defends the White Title against Gunboat Smith and is defeated.

Smith TKO 15

16/07/1914
Gunboat Smith defends the White title against Goerges Carpinter and looses on a foul.

Carpinter DQ 6

Carpinter wins his next six fights including a win over Joe Becket for the EBU heavyweight title and a win over Battlink Levinsky for the World Light Heavyweight title. I can find no reference to any of these fights being defences of the White title.

02/07/1921
Carpinter challenges Jack Dempsey for the oficial heavyweight title. With the White Title and European Title he is something of a title claimant. His defeat unifies the White title with the oficial title if anybody still recognised it at this point.

Dempsey KO 4
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:50 AM   #2
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Default Re: Lineage of the "White Heavyweight Title"

It had a short but turbulent history and was characterised by competitive bouts.
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:55 PM   #3
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I take it nobody wants to dignify the white heavyweight title by commenting in this thread.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:06 PM   #4
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The fighters listed are well documented in the White Hopes book, interesting stories a few of them have (christ I sound like Yoda!!)

Worth a read
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:12 PM   #5
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The IBU (the future EBU) which recognized Carpentier's reign also recognized George Godfrey (a black fighter in 35-36)

And the EBU and Great Britain recognized Lee Savold in 50-51 and Louis (again another black fighter) in 1951.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:23 PM   #6
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So well Than Gene Tunney just retire the title for good than when he retire in 1928?
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So well Than Gene Tunney just retire the title for good than when he retire in 1928?
It only meant something (to some of the whites of the time) when you had a black World Champion. The moment Willard beat Johnson it meant very little...
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Perhaps. But Who was the white champ during the Joe Louis era. and Walcott and Charles after them. Than Patterson, Liston Ali ete.
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Perhaps. But Who was the white champ during the Joe Louis era. and Walcott and Charles after them. Than Patterson, Liston Ali ete.
Thankfully we had all grown up a bit by then... thank you Joe.

The only white fighter who gained recognition as a Heavyweight champion between Braddock and Marciano was Lee Savold, who was recognized by Europe and Great Britain after Louis' initial retirement. Savold lost the title to Louis who had already lost to Charles and the EBU and Britain then decided to recognize Charles' conqueror Jersey Joe.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:44 PM   #10
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I mean I know Dempsey had a tourmemt for a white hope. And was to be crown the new white hope or white champ. Very early in Louis's rein though. But it fail apart. There has to be a white champion during Louis's rein some were. I mean Louis was blasting out white hopes left and right if there names were not Billy Conn and Tommy Farr lol.
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