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Old 08-01-2007, 12:58 PM   #1
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Prime hitman Hearns vs. Xecutioner Hopkins @ 160

Who wins and why?

I see this X being a made to order fight for Tommy. Feather fisted Jermaine Tylor hurt X early. i saw his knees dip. Hopkins can't hurt Tommy and Tommy is so much quicker than Hopkins there's no way he could lose.

Tommy's only problem is when X tries coming on late but as he showed in the Taylor fight, way too little, too late and without that knockout punch, Tommy holds on late for a unanimous points win.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:21 PM   #2
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Man, you suck. Young Hopkins can definitely hurt Tommy and real bad, too. He also has the chin to take Hearns right hand. Taylor didn't hurt Hopkins, he was off balance.

Hopkins KO9
he wasn't off balance, he was hurt. Don't you know what a hurt fighter looks like? That's why Bernard didn't move in until several rounds later when the hurt wore off.

Hopkins is the 90's version of james Kinchen, only he doesn't have quite the talent and power James had, tho more fire than the heat (no pun intended). james was also a sharper hitter.

make no mistake, Hopkins would not get the respect of Tommy Hearns and he couldn't hope to match his speed. Bernard doesn't have much to his game and has no real weapons. Larry Merchant discussed his lack of power which is what I said all along. He's too low on power and Tommy is much faster and sharper. he might even knock out X with that big right hand
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:32 PM   #3
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If you put the Hearns of the Duran fight against the Hopkins of the Trinidad fight, thats an awesome match up.But at 160, Hops is a little sturdier that Tommy, and Benards precision body punching would have an effect.Hopkins might have the edge in this one.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:33 PM   #4
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What has the Hopkins out of the Taylor fight to do with prime Hopkins - he never had a real prime but he came closes in the Johnson fight imo.
That Hopkins would come to Hearns, pressure him while beeing too elusive to be hit clean. Hopkins TKO btween 7 and 9.
Hopkins doesn't have the power to hurt Tommy. Bernard never had the power to hurt any middleweight of class while Tommy has power to spare.

Taylor hurt him. Tommy would hurt him even worse.

See how esay Jermaine reached his head with the jab. X couldn't do nothing until they got in the clinches and had no game plan. Couldn't handle an opponent with a good jab.

Tommy could win just on the jab alone and if Bernard slipped past it the way Duran did, then blam!! Tommy would paste him with the right hand and X would find himself on the floor.

Even if X moves his head enough to avoid damage the way you say, Tommy would work his body and move out the way a petrified Jermaine Taylor did. Even though Jermaine was shaky in the late rounds, X still couldn't take him out because he never had the power to bale him out of this kind of situation-so says Larry Merchant.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:38 PM   #5
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The Hopkins of the Taylor fight was at best 60% the Hopkins of the Johnson fight. If you wanna talk prime Tommy vs. old Hopkins (Taylor) than i think Tommy would take it if you wanna talk prime Hopkins (Johnson) than Hopkins take it.
But how? he has little power and not quick enough to compete with Tommy. Tommy has all the advantages and beats any version.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:41 PM   #6
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he wasn't off balance, he was hurt. Don't you know what a hurt fighter looks like? That's why Bernard didn't move in until several rounds later when the hurt wore off.

Hopkins is the 90's version of james Kinchen, only he doesn't have quite the talent and power James had, tho more fire than the heat (no pun intended). james was also a sharper hitter.

make no mistake, Hopkins would not get the respect of Tommy Hearns and he couldn't hope to match his speed. Bernard doesn't have much to his game and has no real weapons. Larry Merchant discussed his lack of power which is what I said all along. He's too low on power and Tommy is much faster and sharper. he might even knock out X with that big right hand
Take a look at the reply, jagoff. Look at his legs, they were off balance. The punch didn't even land cleanly.
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Old 08-01-2007, 01:43 PM   #7
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Take a look at the reply, jagoff. Look at his legs, they were off balance. The punch didn't even land cleanly.
he was hurt! That's why he didn't want to take chances until the late rounds when he got desparate and realized he was in jeopardy of losing his title and then had the nerve to act surpised over the decision.

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Old 08-01-2007, 02:13 PM   #8
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That guy is a Hagler nuthugger. He tries to discredit Leonard where he can because Leonard beat Hagler. And now he does the same with Hopkins since more and more people write B-Hop could be ranked above Hagler.
He has an agenda in all this.
Aren't you one of those people? Anyone writing these things has to be a Bernard Hopkins nuthugger. You should feel priviledged knowing the truth that Tommy would outslick the X man. Hopkins isn't even known for anything other than lose to Jones jr. which makes those 20 title defenses meaningless.

By the way, my pick was Hopkins over Trinidad so I already knew what he could do before any of you.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:28 PM   #9
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Strange that nobody beside you saw that.
Then why did the crowd jump start cheering? Hopkins was holding on for dear life the ref yelling at him to stop holding. Then he did nothing the rest of the round but circle and hold. What happened to the great strategist?

Imagine him trying that with the hitman. He'd get himself killed.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:12 PM   #10
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Hopkins was off balance if you're talking about the right hand I think you are. But if that had been Hearns, Hopkins would have been in real trouble.

The Hearns who zapped Duran and Shuler would beat Hopkins. Hagler and Hearns are a class above Hopkins. If Hopkins was a great as people say, the Taylor fights shouldn't have been close.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:23 PM   #11
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hopkins size and difficult size would be to much for tommy and he wouldnt be able to hurt him i dont think (or be able to catch him with the punch that would hurt him)

i see hopkins taking a decision or late stoppage
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i meant difficult style in my last post
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hopkins size and difficult size would be to much for tommy and he wouldnt be able to hurt him i dont think (or be able to catch him with the punch that would hurt him)

i see hopkins taking a decision or late stoppage
What do you mean size? And how the hell can Bernard take out Hearns? He can't hit! Only guys who can whack would be a concern for Tommy.

People like Singletary, Minchillo, Geraldo, Schuler, Dewitt, Hill will never cause Tommy problems. It's raw punchers like Barkley, Hagler and Roldan who get him in trouble.

You can throw Hopkins in with the first group. He's never been known as a puncher.
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If Jones was as great as people say, he shouldn´t have been kayod by Tarver and Johnson.You see my point?
Hopkins was 40!! That wasn´t a near prime version of Hopkins. Taking the Taylor fights as the basis to why Tommy would beat Hopkins is like taking the Hearns out of the Uriah Grant fight to explain why Hopkins would win.
I will take the fight where Jones made Hopkins look bad. How's that?

Jones and Hopkins are different cases. Jones depended on reflex. As soon as he aged he was in trouble. Hopkins has always depended on a particular style, and he gets better with that style with experience. Hearns has the perfect style to mess Hopkins up. Hopkins lays back. Hearns will jab, jab, and pop the right hand in. Hopkins has a good chin, but he never faced a puncher like Hearns. But even if Hopkins survived, he would be outpointed by the best boxer he ever faced - and that includes Roy Jones and Winky Wright. Hearns is no sucker for lead rights, and he wouldn't be reckless against Hopkins the way he was against the limited Barkley.

Taylor is the perfect example, because Taylor is a big middleweight like Hearns in the classic one-two style, except of course Hearns was two or three leagues above Taylor in terms of talent and skill. Most of Hopkins biggest names were natural welterweights (Brown, de la Hoya, Trinidad), so these don't serve as useful examples. In fact, these wins cause people to overrated Hopkins. Hearns was a big middleweight. Hopkins would be in serious trouble against the Hit Man.

Incidentally, Tarver would never have caught Jones in Roy's prime. Tarver is a second rater.
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:01 PM   #15
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I will take the fight where Jones made Hopkins look bad. How's that?

Jones and Hopkins are different cases. Jones depended on reflex. As soon as he aged he was in trouble. Hopkins has always depended on a particular style, and he gets better with that style with experience. Hearns has the perfect style to mess Hopkins up. Hopkins lays back. Hearns will jab, jab, and pop the right hand in. Hopkins has a good chin, but he never faced a puncher like Hearns. But even if Hopkins survived, he would be outpointed by the best boxer he ever faced - and that includes Roy Jones and Winky Wright. Hearns is no sucker for lead rights, and he wouldn't be reckless against Hopkins the way he was against the limited Barkley.

Taylor is the perfect example, because Taylor is a big middleweight like Hearns in the classic one-two style, except of course Hearns was two or three leagues above Taylor in terms of talent and skill. Most of Hopkins biggest names were natural welterweights (Brown, de la Hoya, Trinidad), so these don't serve as useful examples. In fact, these wins cause people to overrated Hopkins. Hearns was a big middleweight. Hopkins would be in serious trouble against the Hit Man.

Incidentally, Tarver would never have caught Jones in Roy's prime. Tarver is a second rater.
Excellent post Lethal. In fact, that was perfect
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