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[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by JMP

I think you misread my question. I was inquiring about Corro-Martinez, not Corro-LaMotta.

[Garrus]

Chavez usually comes in at 180, the fact that Martinez couldn't hurt him shows that Chavez had a good chin (we already knew he had but not to that extent) and the fact he was a LHW.

Yeah Sergio got caught in the 12th of an exhausting performance staying on his toes, turning Chavez almost every minute of every round while throwing 908 punches. At 37.

How people are saying Chavez was still inexperienced is bizarre to me.

[Garrus]

GGG vs Martinez would be interesting.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by Garrus

Chavez usually comes in at 180, the fact that Martinez couldn't hurt him shows that Chavez had a good chin (we already knew he had but not to that extent) and the fact he was a LHW.

Yeah Sergio got caught in the 12th of an exhausting performance staying on his toes, turning Chavez almost every minute of every round while throwing 908 punches. At 37.

How people are saying Chavez was still inexperienced is bizarre to me.

Not to mention the broken hand, torn knee ligaments and outright refusal to attempt to hold on even when in serious peril that would've quelled much of the drama. The lack of appreciation for such a ballsy, courageous performance is appalling.

[Garrus]

Didn't know about the injuries.

Makes the performance even sweeter.

[Hands of Iron]

Yeah..

Sergio Martinez received medical attention for a variety of injuries Saturday night shortly after his middleweight title victory over Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., according to his adviser Sampson Lewkowicz.

The reigning champion incurred a broken left hand, eight stitches over his left eye, two staples in his head, and torn ligaments in his right knee that will likely require surgery.

Martinez (50-2-2, 28 KOs) survived a late knockdown in the final round to win the fight after dominating the first 11 frames against Chavez (46-1-1, 32 KOs). A rematch is already being discussed with the venue being Cowboys Stadium in Texas.

No need for a rematch, though.

[the cobra]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

A guy like Hamsho eats him alive.

I wouldn't go that far. Martinez certainly isn't great, but he's a very good fighter. Good puncher, quick hands, awkward angles. he got caught late by a 180+ lbs man but managed to hang on. Chances are he'd slice Hamsho up.

It's time to bring Golovkin up front though. I'm very interested to see how Martinez goes about trying to deal with him (and vice versa, of course).

[Lester1583]

Originally Posted by the cobra

It's time to bring Golovkin up front though

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

No need for a rematch, though.

Money.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by Lester1583

Money.

It'll only be worse. Naturally Chavez is going to let his hands go more early and often and he'll get a lot more in return for it.. Sergio will coast and take rounds off knowing he can toy with Chavez as he pleases. There won't be a deliberate hyper-macho Scarface moment in the final frame either, if it gets there.

[MrOliverKlozoff]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Martinez would definitely get sparked by G-Man in a time machine.

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

I didn't bother watching it, but any time a Chavez loses, the sun shines just a bit brighter.

And yes, Martinez is not remotely close to a great middleweight. A guy like Hamsho eats him alive.

Current guy<<<<<<<<<<<<everyone before him.

It's like the most boring chorus of the worst song ever sung. By some Mormon tabernacle choir afterhours band. Chief Taunty Tongue and Dances with Dogs and getting a good shot that wobbled him aren't going to take the shine off of Martinez for embarrassing everyone who tried to take what's his without a fight in the first place. That's what matters, in the here and now where he's regarded as one of the best active fighters alive. And before "it's because everyone sucks now" stop, drop, roll, take a deep breath, and pop a few geritol and nap it off. You'll be fine.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by MrOliverKlozoff

Current guy<<<<<<<<<<<<everyone before him.

It's like the most boring chorus of the worst song ever sung. By some Mormon tabernacle choir afterhours band. Chief Taunty Tongue and Dances with Dogs and getting a good shot that wobbled him aren't going to take the shine off of Martinez for embarrassing everyone who tried to take what's his without a fight in the first place. That's what matters, in the here and now where he's regarded as one of the best active fighters alive. And before "it's because everyone sucks now" stop, drop, roll, take a deep breath, and pop a few geritol and nap it off. You'll be fine.

This is bullshit. All of it. Look at the Martinez Vs Graziano thread for proof, no one is picking Rocky.

My G-Man reference was because he was also a massive weight cutter, with a half decent jab who could bang.

Barker, Macklin, Drinzsuruk, all absolute dog shit. Especially the last one, an overrated, over protected WBO 'titlist'.

[Boxed Ears]

I consider Barker, Macklin, Razor to all be good fighters. My ratings are more like:

F-level fighters:

Paid losers, plain and simple.

"Bad."

D-level fighters:

Fighters with usually barely winning records at best (over F-level fighters mostly), function to build modest early experience for decent prospects. They all have day jobs, you only know them if you literally know them in person. Even if they wound up on ESPN when you were watching, you still don't know them.

"Poor."

C-level fighters:

The worst might make a few TV spots, have an okay record on paper, are dedicated also-rans, honest journeymen.

The best of which are usually fighters with some name of some kind, sometimes national champs or well-faded former titlists, occasionally still fringe contenders in some shitty abc ranking or recent abc challengers.

"Okay".

B-level fighters:

The lowest of which is just a little too formidable to call them average. Solid. Flawed but some things that stand out.
The highest of which can be just shy of great or borderline greats for their time.

"Good."
"Very good."
"Excellent, but shy of historical weight."


A-level fighters:

The lowest of which might be a flash in the pan of elite names. The highest of which is an ATG.

"Great"
"Special."
"Sugary"

Flea's, probably goes something like:

Sulaiman's vaginal yeast

The shit which is shat from utter dog shit

Utter dog shit

Andre Dirrell

meh

yawn

okay

overrated

good



Semantics, you know.

[Flea Man]

Not bad squire, good work

OBVIOUSLY I DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN AS WORTHLESS AS A DOG TURD but I followed Macklin or Barker coming up the ranks and neither are genuinely World class.

Before anyone says anything, Sturm is a solid european level fighter and has been for a while. That's not a criticism either. Macklin did not beat him IMO but somehow, like Martin Murray is now seen to be 'World class' before he had a competitive fight with him.

For everyone that says ' old timers are given preferential treatment' they'll rate a current fighter pretty highly and not really criticise him at all and give him a free pass.

Everyone thought Jaime Garza was the next big thing at one point ya' know?

[Hands of Iron]

What's your current Top 6 look like, Flea?

[Flea Man]

1. Floyd
2. JMM
3. Manny
4. Sergio
5. Wlad
6. Ward
7. Donaire

Hard after that IMO