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Old 08-01-2007, 06:28 PM   #31
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I mean foresight.

In hindsight I still refuse to bash Lacy. He was a pretty good fighter and a very good win for Joe.
You say was! Why? Lacy is still active and who knows what he may go on to do.

Boxing fans need to get out of this mentality. Let a man grow.

Everyone bashed Freitas and then he came back and beat Raheem. That fight made him a real P4P for the very first time!

This is boxing, one punch changes everything.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:29 PM   #32
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so Calzaghe's a racist because he beat up a black man in a boxing match? you should keep shitty thoughts like that from the public eye for real...
Yeah, I really mean Calzaghe is a racist. That is definitely what I mean. No, I'm really serious about this. He is definitely a racist. He fought a black man and won so he is definitely a racist.

YOU ****ING MORON! It's a joke.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:30 PM   #33
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That fight should've been stopped by at least Round 7!
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:31 PM   #34
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I always thought Lacy got far too much hate for the Calzaghe fight. I think 98% of it is because the fans who picked him to KO Calzaghe early were so embarrassed at the outcome, it was easier to turn coat on Lacy than to just say that Calzaghe fought the perfect fight. Lacy showed a ton of toughness- I know Joe's power isn't what it was, but Lacy was cut over both eyes and a swollen mess by the end of it. The way everyone treated him like garbage afterwards was bullshit.

I give him props for going 12, even if his trainer should've pulled him out sooner. I hope Jeff can come back healthy and make some noise in the division.
In a blood thirsty way I was glad his trainer didn't pull him out. I really wanted to see him go 12 and show unbelievable toughness.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:33 PM   #35
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Joe Calzaghe at his peak at 168 may very well only be beatable by a peak Jones at 168. I definitley see Calzaghe beating any MW moving up to 168 peak/peak...

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Old 08-01-2007, 06:39 PM   #36
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Joe Calzaghe at his peak at 168 may very well only be beatable by a peak Jones at 168. I definitley see Calzaghe beating any MW moving up to 168 peak/peak...

I got to admit Jones is always the one that bothers me mentally.

Not Benn, Collins, Eubank, Toney or any of em really but Jones just niggles on the mind.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:45 PM   #37
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Nunn and Toney (against Barkley and Littles) at their best were better than Calzaghe. Eubank against Rocchigiani and Wharton better than Calzaghe, too

Nunn and Toney at their best were better than Jones, too
Nunn was at his best (at 160) against Roldan, Tate, and Kalambay, IMO. The Kalambay KO is one of the most impressive KOs of the last couple decades, IMO.

What about Watson at his best, like the first 10 rounds and 2:50 of the Eubank rematch?

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Nunn and Toney at their best were better than Jones, too
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:46 PM   #38
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I got to admit Jones is always the one that bothers me mentally.

Not Benn, Collins, Eubank, Toney or any of em really but Jones just niggles on the mind.
Calzaghe couldn't beat a peak Jones:

Matched footspeed(only guy in history for that matter)

Better timing

Over hand right beats Calzaghe to the punch everytime, will land frequently.

Calzaghe can make it fun, left hook will land at times, he can make it rough, get a flurry going, but will be stopped by the right in his tracks and the fight will be fought at a high pace.

Toney's too inactive, his shoulder roll opens him for the awkward angles, he'd likely lose a very wide decision to Joe, if not a clear one...

The rest, even Michalczewski wouldn't win either.
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Calzaghe couldn't beat a peak Jones:

Matched footspeed(only guy in history for that matter)

Better timing

Over hand right beats Calzaghe to the punch everytime, will land frequently.

Calzaghe can make it fun, left hook will land at times, he can make it rough, get a flurry going, but will be stopped by the right in his tracks and the fight will be fought at a high pace.

Toney's too inactive, his shoulder roll opens him for the awkward angles, he'd likely lose a very wide decision to Joe, if not a clear one...

The rest, even Michalczewski wouldn't win either.
Toney has (had) a good workrate though.

While he fought in spurts, he let his hands go in combo and threw lots of shots.
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Jones was unbelievable, but Nunn was easily the most talented boxer of his time, and in my opinion - in his prime - a better boxer than Jones. Just as fast, but better founded, never off-balance, never awkward - incredibly smooth and flowing. And he did have power in his day (Knox thought the referee had hit him, that left hand came out of nowhere).

But Nunn has only got himself to blame for pissing off those talents, of course.
I think Nunn at his peak would give fits to most middleweights in history. His speed, southpaw style, unorthodox nature, height, etc....would allow him to be competitive with even the all-time great middleweights (or at least the ones I've seen).
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:24 PM   #41
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Yeah, I really mean Calzaghe is a racist. That is definitely what I mean. No, I'm really serious about this. He is definitely a racist. He fought a black man and won so he is definitely a racist.

YOU ****ING MORON! It's a joke.
i knew it was a joke fool...but it was a stupid joke and i wanted to address you on it...alright how about i joke when Taylor destroys Pavlik..."damn, Taylor beat Pavlik like he wanted revenge on white boys for the slave days"...i'm just joking tho, so don't take it too serious...
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:23 PM   #42
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I always thought Lacy got far too much hate for the Calzaghe fight. I think 98% of it is because the fans who picked him to KO Calzaghe early were so embarrassed at the outcome, it was easier to turn coat on Lacy than to just say that Calzaghe fought the perfect fight.

You nailed it. That's why all the "next Tyson" guys IMMEDIATELY jumped ship after the fight. The same thing happened with Zab after Tzsyu, although it took more time and a lot of "premature stoppage"s later. This type of thing always happens when one fighter is propped up, and I'm sure it will happen one way or another when PBF and Hatton fight as well.

People put so much hope and investment in a fighter, than when he loses like Lacy did, it's a race to see who can put him down fastest and most definitively. I remember things like "nobody knew who Lacy was before the fight," and other stuff like that. Give me a break.

The same thing will happen with Calzaghe-Kessler, particularly if Kessler loses (and I think he will).
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Old 08-01-2007, 11:14 PM   #43
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Amazing display of boxing - masterclass is the word that comes to mind. I believe Jeff knew the fight was over in the 3rd round after Joe got done landing wicked shots off the ropes,and then spun him around;the defeat in Lacy's eyes said everything.

Lacy is a tough game fighter,so of course he kept coming forward.....But he knew he was beat after the 3rd round.

This was a performance,more than anything. A true performance.
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The fight has convinced me that Joe Calzaghe is some sort of racist; maybe a member of the BNP or KKK, possibly a descendent of Hitler.

I mean I got 12 rounds of HARD evidence to back up what I'm saying!
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I just put the dvd in. Jimmy Lennon is about to announce the fighters.
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