Joe Calzaghe vs. James Toney prime/prime

[Amsterdam]

At 168 of course.

Who takes it for you?

Calzaghe 116-112 for me.

[Jinx]

Toney's counterpunching would be too much for Calzaghe's slaps...Toney TKO 10...

[MagnificentMatt]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

At 168 of course.

Who takes it for you?

Calzaghe 116-112 for me.

Ill go with the same..Its a style mismatch for Toney, his stationary, footless defense would not be able to keep up with Calzaghe although he might take over on a couple exchanges..Ill say Calzxaghe takes it 7-5 With Toney startign to get a feel later into the fight but not enough to take it over.

[psychopath]

Prime for prime?

If Toney could exchange bombs with the heavies now despite being over weight and beyond his prime, Toney could have retired JC long time ago.

[JAM Killer]

Prime for Prime, Toney would have knocked Calzaghe out, Calzaghe is a better boxer on the outside, but Toney has a way, or used to have a way of getting his shots off on the inside and with beautiful counters.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by MagnificentMatt

Ill go with the same..Its a style mismatch for Toney, his stationary, footless defense would not be able to keep up with Calzaghe although he might take over on a couple exchanges..Ill say Calzxaghe takes it 7-5 With Toney startign to get a feel later into the fight but not enough to take it over.

Toney's open for awkward angle shots as well using the shoulder roll defence after he jabs and throws counters, as well as Calzaghe popping in and out with the footspeed giving Toney immense trouble, then the amount thrown.

Toney could floor Calzaghe possibly, which would effect the scoring. But peak/peak, it's going to be a difficult task as I've seen Calzaghe really eat some bombs and not blink, despite the KD vs. Mitchell.

I feel it would be clear, 8-4 like.

[emanuel_augustus]

Toney was a master boxer at 168. See: Iran Barkely

He would bust up Calzaghe and win a fairly wide UD.

[brooklyn1550]

Calzaghe would pose a lot of problems to Toney as Toney would to Calzaghe. Calzaghe's awkward shots, speed, and volume punching would be the attributes he has going for him, but Toney was a boxing master and a precision counter puncher. I'm going with Calzaghe by close decision due to his volume punching, footspeed, and handspeed.

[emanuel_augustus]

Ill go with the same..Its a style mismatch for Toney, his stationary, footless defense would not be able to keep up with Calzaghe although he might take over on a couple exchanges..Ill say Calzxaghe takes it 7-5 With Toney startign to get a feel later into the fight but not enough to take it over.

Oh really, yet he could beat Michael Nunn at 168 who is one of the quickest boxers you will ever see. Calzaghe is no prime Roy Jones, Toney would rip him with counters all night long.

[emanuel_augustus]

correction: 160 not 168.

[Cookie]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Toney's open for awkward angle shots as well using the shoulder roll defence after he jabs and throws counters, as well as Calzaghe popping in and out with the footspeed giving Toney immense trouble, then the amount thrown.

Toney could floor Calzaghe possibly, which would effect the scoring. But peak/peak, it's going to be a difficult task as I've seen Calzaghe really eat some bombs and not blink, despite the KD vs. Mitchell.

I feel it would be clear, 8-4 like.

I think Calzaghe would win too.

[RDJ]

Originally Posted by emanuel_augustus

Oh really, yet he could beat Michael Nunn at 168 who is one of the quickest boxers you will ever see. Calzaghe is no prime Roy Jones, Toney would rip him with counters all night long.

I agree. Toney by UD or maybe even late stoppage, depending on how Joe takes the punishment.

[Rock0052]

168 is also when Toney started becoming more inconsistent, and when he started the bothersome trend of losing to the best fighters he fought in each division, which he didn't overcome until Cruiserweight. I've got Joe winning a clear decision- around 116-112 sounds right.

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

At 168 of course.

Who takes it for you?

Calzaghe 116-112 for me.

Calzaghe @ 168 vs. Toney @ 190?

Toney by narrow UD. If both are at 168, though, Calzaghe takes it. Toney was too drained in the lighter weights.

[Rock0052]

Originally Posted by emanuel_augustus

Oh really, yet he could beat Michael Nunn at 168 who is one of the quickest boxers you will ever see. Calzaghe is no prime Roy Jones, Toney would rip him with counters all night long.

The only thing with the Nunn is that even if he's got the edge in quickness, Calzaghe's a more focused fighter over 12 rounds and I feel he's better conditioned. And his handspeed is nothing to sneeze at. A prime Roy Jones nearly pitched a shutout on JT; there's not THAT big a difference between prime Calzaghe and prime Roy (though for my money, I wouldn't feel comfortable picking anyone at 168 over Roy consistently, even if a couple guys could win). If you want to talk technique, I'd probably even give Joe the edge because Roy got away with some things because he's a freak of an athlete.

A Toney KO could definitely be possible because he was a heck of a puncher, but if he doesn't get the knockout, I think Joe would win on points because his offensive style is the worst matchup for Toney. Toney's at his best when guys only throw a couple power shots at a time so he can get the most out of his counters; Calzaghe's workrate and accuracy would stifle that over the course of 12 rounds IMO.