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View Poll Results: Calzaghe/Toney
Calzaghe UD 52 44.07%
Calzaghe stoppage 4 3.39%
Toney UD 33 27.97%
Toney stoppage 29 24.58%
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:23 PM   #16
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Calzaghe will be killed with sharp counters.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:25 PM   #17
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168 is also when Toney started becoming more inconsistent, and when he started the bothersome trend of losing to the best fighters he fought in each division, which he didn't overcome until Cruiserweight. I've got Joe winning a clear decision- around 116-112 sounds right.
Trend? He lost to Roy Jones after being weight drained. We're talking PRIME Toney, which would be the version that tore apart Iran Barkley 1 1/2 years before the Jones fight.

Toney showed he could adapt and beat different styles at 160 and 168: Nunn, Johnson, McCallum, Barkley, Charles Williams, etc.

You guys far underrated Toney.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:29 PM   #18
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The only thing with the Nunn is that even if he's got the edge in quickness, Calzaghe's a more focused fighter over 12 rounds and I feel he's better conditioned. And his handspeed is nothing to sneeze at. A prime Roy Jones nearly pitched a shutout on JT; there's not THAT big a difference between prime Calzaghe and prime Roy (though for my money, I wouldn't feel comfortable picking anyone at 168 over Roy consistently, even if a couple guys could win). If you want to talk technique, I'd probably even give Joe the edge because Roy got away with some things because he's a freak of an athlete.
You gotta be kidding me. Michael Nunn had some of the fastest hands of that era. Calzaghe is nowhere NEAR as fast as Nunn was. And he only slowed in that fight because started bombing him with counter rights and left crosses in the later rounds.

Now, I like Calzaghe, but you cannot even start to compare him with the 1994 version of Roy Jones. We're not talking technique, we're talking winning fights, and Roy at that time was nearly unbeatable, especially by a Toney who was dead at the weight at that time.

If you take the 168 version of Toney that fought Barkley, Calzaghe is going to look like he's swimming in quicksand trying to land on him.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:30 PM   #19
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Trend? He lost to Roy Jones after being weight drained. We're talking PRIME Toney, which would be the version that tore apart Iran Barkley 1 1/2 years before the Jones fight.

Toney showed he could adapt and beat different styles at 160 and 168: Nunn, Johnson, McCallum, Barkley, Charles Williams, etc.

You guys far underrated Toney.
I like both guys (in fact, I'd pick Toney over Hopkins at 160..but that's another argument for another day), I just think Calzaghe would win more often than not unless Toney catches him for the KO because of the reasons I pointed out. It'd be a hell of a fight, though.
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:37 PM   #20
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People overrate the Nunn-Toney fight. They act like Toney was losing every round, he wasn't. He had won the last couple of rounds and coming on very strong.
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Oh really, yet he could beat Michael Nunn at 168 who is one of the quickest boxers you will ever see
Well, he beat Nunn by knocking him out late. Nunn was well ahead on all cards at the time of the stoppage
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Old 08-01-2007, 10:28 PM   #22
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I'll take Toney by UD, although I'm far from an expert on prime Calzaghe. I can easily see James landing blistering counters inside of those sweeping arm punches Joe gets away with. You can do that to Lacy and Manfredo, not a prime Lights Out.
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Old 08-02-2007, 01:05 PM   #23
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168 is also when Toney started becoming more inconsistent, and when he started the bothersome trend of losing to the best fighters he fought in each division, which he didn't overcome until Cruiserweight. I've got Joe winning a clear decision- around 116-112 sounds right.
Toney was more inconsistent at 160 than at 168. He had one poor performance at 168, getting dominated by Roy Jones.

At 160, he won a close fight over Reggie Johnson after being dropped and hurt in round 2, got a highly questionable call over DAVE TIBERI, and arguably lost the Mike McCallum rematch.

And he never even fought the best guys @ 175. The best guy he fought there was probably Montell Griffin, whom Toney probably deserved the decision in BOTH fights, but Toney also lost @ 175 to Drake Thadazi of all people.

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Old 08-02-2007, 02:33 PM   #24
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Well, he beat Nunn by knocking him out late. Nunn was well ahead on all cards at the time of the stoppage
Nunn would've handled Calzaghe too...and Calzaghe won't have the late power to stop him...
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:55 PM   #25
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I like Toney and his 'oldschool' (dont we get sick of that phrase!) style but despite his much higher level of competition Joe has a horrible style for Toney to adjust too. Joe's bigger, stronger, quicker and I can see those wide left hands landing with regularity despite Toney's excellent defense.
Joe UD 12 despite the fact I hate picking the less proved fighter (no excuse really at 35) in a matchup like this.
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:56 PM   #26
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Nunn would've handled Calzaghe too...and Calzaghe won't have the late power to stop him...
Stylewise Nunn is tougher for Joe than Toney imo.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:00 PM   #27
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Calzaghe by decision.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:58 PM   #28
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Calzaghe is nowhere NEAR as fast as Nunn was.

Stop chatting shit.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:07 PM   #29
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I pick Calzaghe by Decision
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:10 PM   #30
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At 168 of course.

Who takes it for you?

Calzaghe 116-112 for me.
James toney by KO or UD...either way he'd be too much for Joe in terms of skills. But Joe would do well in spurts and make it an exciting fight until he had to pick himself off the canvas.
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