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Old 08-02-2007, 04:47 PM   #1
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Default Best boxing minds.

I'm not talking about ring generalship (since athleticism helps with that) nor about control (a good jab will do that for you) but sheer mental prowess as a main asset.

Personally, I'm most impressed with Roberto Duran and Muhammad Ali in these respects. Roberto ended up fighting at such a high weight that if not for his mental game (intelligence, cunning and toughness) he'd have lost every fight. Ali managed to make the most of almost all the rough spots he ever hit during matches and came up with radical solutions and adjustments mid-fight.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:52 PM   #2
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Jack Johnson, Evander Hollyfield.

I also like Chris Eubank and Bernard Hopkins in this regard.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:56 PM   #3
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Hagler.

The shots he took from some of the hardest hitters in boxing history and just walked through them... Mugabi, Hart, Hearns (Roldan wasn't bad either)

I'm sure he felt every single one of them. Man wasn't indestructable. But just that mental strength and clarity...
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:01 PM   #4
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Gene Tunney
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:07 PM   #5
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Roy Jones Junior by a mile -fullstop-
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:13 PM   #6
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Roy Jones Junior by a mile -fullstop-
care to elaborate?
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:23 PM   #7
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Hagler.

The shots he took from some of the hardest hitters in boxing history and just walked through them... Mugabi, Hart, Hearns (Roldan wasn't bad either)

I'm sure he felt every single one of them. Man wasn't indestructable. But just that mental strength and clarity...
Hagler was resiliant but I dont think that qualifies him as one of the best boxing minds.

SRL - had the ability to adjust during a fight. He knew what judges looked for he knew how to turn the tides.

Evander Holyfield - I think his ability to adapt was excellent.

Muhammad Ali - From 1974-onwards it was his boxing mind that carried him through as his reflexes started to seriously decline.

Lennox Lewis - Though he usually shows up prepared. His ability to stick to a game plan and follow corner instructions was great.

Rahman II the adjustment and focus was great. Mercer fight, another example.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:26 PM   #8
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His fighting style isn't purely instinctive -fullstop- When he used to leave his chin hanging out he was thinking -fullstop- I believe he had many linguistic thoughts in the ring whilst he was boxing -fullstop- He is also highly rated as a commentator by many people here -fullstop-
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:33 PM   #9
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His fighting style isn't purely instinctive -fullstop- When he used to leave his chin hanging out he was thinking -fullstop- I believe he had many linguistic thoughts in the ring whilst he was boxing -fullstop- He is also highly rated as a commentator by many people here -fullstop-
This is one of your first posts I wholeheartedly agree with. Jones was often uncannily accurate in assessing fights, and his own instinctive fighting ability was about as un-robotic as it gets. He managed to maintain a high level of performance even after his blazing reflexes began eroding.

Definitely a thinker in the ring.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:46 PM   #10
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Fritzie Zivic

Whatever the oponent and whatever their style he always tied them in knots and became their worst nightmare of their entire career.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:02 PM   #11
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Roy Jones Junior by a mile -fullstop-
What's with the fullstop ?
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:12 PM   #12
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What's with the fullstop ?
I am saving 20$ -fullstop-
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:43 PM   #13
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Ray Leonard
Oscar Delahoya
Evander Holyfield
Ali
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:45 PM   #14
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Yeah DLH deserves a mention. Micky Ward. Kostya Tszyu.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:09 PM   #15
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Mike McCallum's knowledge let him be competative all the way to light heavy.

I don't mention Floyd Mayweather often, but this time he deserves a mention. The way he took over the fight with Judah after losing 4 of the first 5 rounds is what made me mention him.

Hopkins was already mentioned.

Azumah Nelson was no dummy.
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