Create a complete MMA system...

[cross_trainer]

WITHOUT using the following:

Muay Thai
Kyokushin
Brazilian Jiujitsu
Judo
Modern Catch wrestling
Modern Boxing
Sambo
Sport Jujutsu
Amateur freestyle, folkstyle, or Greco Roman wrestling




Which OTHER martial arts could you use to fill the gaps?

[cross_trainer]

A few combinations others have used in the past:

Bartitsu -- 19th century pugilism, Tenshin-Shinyo Ryu Jiujitsu, "Street" Savate, Shinden Fudo Ryu

Defendre Dans La Rue -- Lutte Parisian, Tenshin Shinyo Ryu, Shinden Fudo Ryu, Savate, and the assorted "dirty tricks" (not too dirty to us, really--elbows, knees, gnp) of old-school Savate




If you want to get weird, you can even go with something like...


5 animals gongfu + Ninjutsu groundwork + Mongolian Wrestling takedowns + Harimau principles

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

WITHOUT using the following:

Muay Thai
Kyokushin
Brazilian Jiujitsu
Judo
Modern Catch wrestling
Modern Boxing
Sambo
Sport Jujutsu
Amateur freestyle, folkstyle, or Greco Roman wrestling




Which OTHER martial arts could you use to fill the gaps?

That's a killer there CT, because traditional JuJutsu is what I'd add for your primary ground defence and ground work.

But here goes:

Old time boxing(Corbett era)
Taijutsu(a well rounded game of grappling and striking)
Mongolian Wrestling(some serious grappling fundamentals)
San Shou(a little spice, a style that uses takedown defence and advanced forms of striking)

I think those 4 divided into an even platform that takes the effectiveness from each and leaves the non-effective factors out would be well rounded and would be interesting to watch.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

A few combinations others have used in the past:

Bartitsu -- 19th century pugilism, Tenshin-Shinyo Ryu Jiujitsu, "Street" Savate, Shinden Fudo Ryu

Defendre Dans La Rue -- Lutte Parisian, Tenshin Shinyo Ryu, Shinden Fudo Ryu, Savate, and the assorted "dirty tricks" (not too dirty to us, really--elbows, knees, gnp) of old-school Savate




If you want to get weird, you can even go with something like...


5 animals gongfu + Ninjutsu groundwork + Mongolian Wrestling takedowns + Harimau principles

Aren't getting too far with that if you're put on the ground by a BJJ blackbelt, trust me. Works well in taking anyone down though and has some very pleasing submissions.

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

That's a killer there CT, because traditional JuJutsu is what I'd add for your primary ground defence and ground work.

But here goes:

Old time boxing(Corbett era)
Taijutsu(a well rounded game of grappling and striking)
Mongolian Wrestling(some serious grappling fundamentals)
San Shou(a little spice, a style that uses takedown defence and advanced forms of striking)

I think those 4 divided into an even platform that takes the effectiveness from each and leaves the non-effective factors out would be well rounded and would be interesting to watch.

I like the combination. With all of the MT/BJJ/Wrestling going around, it's nice to see a little variety.

Have you given any thought to a Taijutsu-Dempsey combination? There are videos and books floating around with lots of Dempsey material on it (an instructional DVD is available on the Yahoo ClassicPugilism group, and Dempsey's manual is available for free download in dozens of places). There are also plenty of other manuals from this period (Carpentier wrote one too) that you could use to add some unorthodox boxing. Does Taijutsu have the kicks, knees, and elbows to round the system out?

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Aren't getting too far with that if you're put on the ground by a BJJ blackbelt, trust me. Works well in taking anyone down though and has some very pleasing submissions.

I believe you. I was thinking something along the lines of your PM--an unusual takedown followed by an equally unusual submission that most fighters aren't used to. In a prolonged ground battle, I'd expect BJJ to beat most types of ground fighters.

That, and the fact that "ninjutsu" (illegitimate branch, if I recollect) provided us with a few entertaining fights in the early UFC's.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

I believe you. I was thinking something along the lines of your PM--an unusual takedown followed by an equally unusual submission that most fighters aren't used to. In a prolonged ground battle, I'd expect BJJ to beat most types of ground fighters.

That, and the fact that "ninjutsu" (illegitimate branch, if I recollect) provided us with a few entertaining fights in the early UFC's.

Ninjutsu is the expanded set of disciplines that goes way back to the Ninja days, most of the stuff is totally worthless, the blade technique's can't even compare to Krav Maga's work in the area of the knife.

Generally, if you have a Taijutsu advanced specialist, a submission attempt would come specifically when he feels that he has a direct opening to absolutley submit the guy(I.E. Joe Riggs being triangled very quickly after being stunned by a kick, if you saw that bout vs. the Brazilian).

Ninjutsu takedowns are fine and would dazzle many fans, but the ground work is just touched upon, needs to be expanded on by cross training in BJJ or some form of wrestling.

It's a pity how limited most people's mindset are, but a Taijutsu practicioner actually in a Ninja suit would REALLY dazzle fans!

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Ninjutsu is the expanded set of disciplines that goes way back to the Ninja days, most of the stuff is totally worthless, the blade technique's can't even compare to Krav Maga's work in the area of the knife.

Generally, if you have a Taijutsu advanced specialist, a submission attempt would come specifically when he feels that he has a direct opening to absolutley submit the guy(I.E. Joe Riggs being triangled very quickly after being stunned by a kick, if you saw that bout vs. the Brazilian).

Ninjutsu takedowns are fine and would dazzle many fans, but the ground work is just touched upon, needs to be expanded on by cross training in BJJ or some form of wrestling.

It's a pity how limited most people's mindset are, but a Taijutsu practicioner actually in a Ninja suit would REALLY dazzle fans!

ECS practitioners should be required to wear ninja costumes in MMA tournaments.

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

ECS practitioners should be required to wear ninja costumes in MMA tournaments.

The only issue is that they are just as endowed in Jiujitsu and Krav Maga, even with the ninja basis for building...

But, it'd be cool, no doubt. The problem is with any sort of costume or GI in modern MMA is that they are an immense oppurtunity for the opponent to gain a significant advantage.

[Amsterdam]

Varzesh - Silat - Fisticuffs

[ufoalf]

Is kick boxing considered under "modern boxing", cause that would be a huge one imo . If not Tae Kwon Do can do the trick in that respect.

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Varzesh - Silat - Fisticuffs

That's tough to beat as weird combinations go. But try this one on for size:

Kalarippayattu - Medieval Wrestling - Dog Boxing Gongfu

[Amsterdam]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

That's tough to beat as weird combinations go. But try this one on for size:

Kalarippayattu - Medieval Wrestling - Dog Boxing Gongfu

You've outdone it. However:

Wing Chun - Pehlwani - Kajukenbo

[cross_trainer]

Originally Posted by Amsterdam

You've outdone it. However:

Wing Chun - Pehlwani - Kajukenbo

Mine is still weirder. Dog boxers actually bark like dogs, and it's so obscure that people consider it a tongue in cheek joke.

Nonetheless...



Kuialua - Robotae - Combat Ki

Fortunately, Robotae and Kuialua cover all my ranges, so I'm free to include "hit-me-please-fu".

[mantis_boxing]

Savate, Jeet Kune Do, Kickboxing (?), Karate, Daido Juku