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Old 08-04-2007, 06:36 PM   #16
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:25 AM   #17
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Pankration - Krav Maga - Daiko Jodu

Trained for MMA rules, this would be a killer.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:28 AM   #18
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I like the combination. With all of the MT/BJJ/Wrestling going around, it's nice to see a little variety.

Have you given any thought to a Taijutsu-Dempsey combination? There are videos and books floating around with lots of Dempsey material on it (an instructional DVD is available on the Yahoo ClassicPugilism group, and Dempsey's manual is available for free download in dozens of places). There are also plenty of other manuals from this period (Carpentier wrote one too) that you could use to add some unorthodox boxing. Does Taijutsu have the kicks, knees, and elbows to round the system out?
I missed this one earlier Cross -

Lots of kick training, though it's for defensive and stalking use mostly, there are a vast variety of kicks, including types that work right out of spinning a guy out of a clinch and then following up with a quick roundhouse, this works under the right circumstances. Tons of knee's that pretty much resemble getting a lock and spraying the opponent with knee's, then using that to set a takedown oppurtunity and elbows are rarely used.

But ECS has a significant amount of elbow work.
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Old 08-05-2007, 09:39 AM   #19
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I missed this one earlier Cross -

Lots of kick training, though it's for defensive and stalking use mostly, there are a vast variety of kicks, including types that work right out of spinning a guy out of a clinch and then following up with a quick roundhouse, this works under the right circumstances. Tons of knee's that pretty much resemble getting a lock and spraying the opponent with knee's, then using that to set a takedown oppurtunity and elbows are rarely used.

But ECS has a significant amount of elbow work.
Which parts of ECS are derived from each martial art? I'm guessing the elbows are Krav based?
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Old 08-05-2007, 09:41 AM   #20
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Pankration - Krav Maga - Daiko Jodu

Trained for MMA rules, this would be a killer.
It certainly would. They could even join up with the guys were are trying to reconstruct OLD SCHOOL pankration and add those techniques. (Unfortunately, that's all the old-school pankration is good for at the moment, since most of it is unsalvageable and the system is therefore incomplete).
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:48 PM   #21
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Which parts of ECS are derived from each martial art? I'm guessing the elbows are Krav based?
General hand striking/defence for hand striking - Boxing(major), Taijutsu(additional), Combat Sambo(very minor), Krav Maga

Leg striking - Taijutsu(major), Muay Thai(additional)

Footwork - Boxing, Muay Thai, Krav Maga(positioning).

Grappling(standing/takedowns) - Taijutsu, Judo, JuJutsu, Krav Maga, Shooto(very minor).

Grappling(ground) - BJJ, Catch Wrestling, Krav Maga.

Creativity in terms of utilising effective ways to deconstruct styles is a big part of it's development as well, these are the derivative styles but customization is very much open for the practicioner after the general disciplines are mastered.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:50 PM   #22
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It certainly would. They could even join up with the guys were are trying to reconstruct OLD SCHOOL pankration and add those techniques. (Unfortunately, that's all the old-school pankration is good for at the moment, since most of it is unsalvageable and the system is therefore incomplete).
Pankration practicioners are still badass.
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Oh, definitely. And there's probably a great deal we can still learn from them. Have you seen the Pankration Project website?
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General hand striking/defence for hand striking - Boxing(major), Taijutsu(additional), Combat Sambo(very minor), Krav Maga

Leg striking - Taijutsu(major), Muay Thai(additional)

Footwork - Boxing, Muay Thai, Krav Maga(positioning).

Grappling(standing/takedowns) - Taijutsu, Judo, JuJutsu, Krav Maga, Shooto(very minor).

Grappling(ground) - BJJ, Catch Wrestling, Krav Maga.

Creativity in terms of utilising effective ways to deconstruct styles is a big part of it's development as well, these are the derivative styles but customization is very much open for the practicioner after the general disciplines are mastered.
Very interesting indeed. You should do some ECS demonstrations with a partner on Youtube to allow us to see the blueprint of how the style is supposed to work and look. Pleeeeaaase?
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:16 PM   #25
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Very interesting indeed. You should do some ECS demonstrations with a partner on Youtube to allow us to see the blueprint of how the style is supposed to work and look. Pleeeeaaase?
I'd be cautioned before I got some of the major bulk copywrited. More than likely, I'd draw up an extensive manual, then get that manual copywrited and then start with demonstrations.
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Oh, definitely. And there's probably a great deal we can still learn from them. Have you seen the Pankration Project website?
Will have to look into it. Pankration is fun to watch from my point of view, it's a pleasing style.
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I'd be cautioned before I got some of the major bulk copywrited. More than likely, I'd draw up an extensive manual, then get that manual copywrited and then start with demonstrations.
I imagine that (like chess positions) you couldn't copyright martial arts techniques. You may be able to copyright a complete system (is yours complete yet?), but then again people watching your Youtube video may not have the necessary expertise to plagiarize based on a few minutes of low-quality footage.

As for copyrights, I recommend using the following website to begin with:

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You send the manuscript in electronically (which automatically copyrights the document under US laws) and then anyone wishing to order it can do so--and Lulu will individually print out the book and send it to them, with no need for work from your end.
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Will have to look into it. Pankration is fun to watch from my point of view, it's a pleasing style.
Are you referring to the Arvanitis modern version:

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...or the historically accurate reconstruction project:

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or both?
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Will have to look into it. Pankration is fun to watch from my point of view, it's a pleasing style.
I think you two are thinking of different definitions of Pankration, unless some ancient greek snuck in a DVD burner to the olympics.
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I think you two are thinking of different definitions of Pankration, unless some ancient greek snuck in a DVD burner to the olympics.
I wouldn't put it past 'em. Those ancient Greeks were sneaky.
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