Jeffries power

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Just making sure you're paying attention and not punching yourself out against other posters ! BTW, thrashing a young but still bad ass Langford is a monumental achievement for anyone !! :good
     
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    Especailly as Langford was a veteran of 50 fights. :bbb
     
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    You can't call a guy who fought guys like Gans, Walcott, Blackburn, Jeannette, Young Peter Jackson, Dave Holly, Tom Sullivan, Elbows McFadden a novice though... Outsized and perhaps out of his technical or physical prime as far as size and strength goes, but not lacking in top class experience or ability.

    Completely underrated win for Johnson IMO.
     
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    Johnson possibly suffers from the fact that this fight was a one sided beatdown. if it had been close ,maybe he would have got more credit?
     
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    Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey bum syndrome, eh:lol:

    It's probably better to have wars and series with guys instead of packing their **** in conclusively, to be honest..There is such a thing as being too good :deal
     
  6. janitor

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    Langford had referred to it as the worst beating of his pre-decline career .. I'm sure some of the Harry Wills beatings were worse but he was already suffering vision issues and age ..
     
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    Jeffries style was rather conserved, designed to degrade opponents through a blend of the rough stuff and body slugs before going upstairs.

    His method did not necessitate the huge punches; the man could dig, yes, but not in a Dempsey/Louis fashion were each punch sought to bring about the opponents destruction. Some of this is down to the teaching of the time - the conserved, ridged straights from the school of Jackson and Corbett were considered gold. Consequently there was a prevailing element of reserve in him which was visible in each decision of his huge frame.
     
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    The more read about and know of Jeffries, the less I think of him in a head to head context. His style was just too conservative and reliant on his ability to absorb punishment. I know he was green, but he was essentially fighting in the lightheavy division. It just underscores what a revelation Jack Johnson was.
     
  12. janitor

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    Although Jeffries had a weight advantage over his oponents, I don't think that they were any smaller on average than Rocky Marciano's. It is certainly a stretch to say that he was fighting in a light heavyweight division. Fitzsimmons and Choynski weighed under the light heavyweight limit, buit thats about it.

    Also, if Jack Johnson was a revalation at the time, then few people seem to have apreciated the fact. Many people thought that he posed less of a threat to Jeffries than Jack Munro, Denver Ed Martin or Sam McVea.
     
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    All of whom Johnson beat. Martin 2 out of 2,McVey 3 out of 3 ,and Munroe 1 out of 1.
     
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    The press don't always pick the winners and loosers corectly.

    For whatever reason, they did not like what they saw when they looked at Johnson, as much as they liked what they saw when they looked at these guys.

    Not everything in black and white makes sense (Guiness advert)
     
  15. he grant

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    Johnson was a boring performer, often doing just enough to win without pushing himself ... the Hart fight remains inexcusable to me.