Pacman was very ordinary earlier in his career...hmmm!

He was a pretty great little fighter at the lower weights... But everybody besides ****ing ******s who wear helmets just so they don't damage their ****ing heads while walking know that.... Guys under 130lbs have rarely gotten any media attention, and the ones fighting overseas even more so.. Hamed, Barerra , and Morales brought a lot of life back to the lower divisions...

 

Pacquiao is human people he was just starting his apprenticeship at that time people act

like you are great in the beginning to the end.Those were international contest against solid

boxers at the time.

 

That's why Scar is a VIP folks. Objectivity. Nice to know there's some clear headed, sensible, objective posters here.

 

What you see is what you get. Staight up. Pacquiao is not a flawless boxer like FLOYD.

 

Let's examine further (with facts) just how ordinary Pac was earlier in his career....

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1st pro fight: 1/22/95 (16 years old)

1st world title: 12/4/98 (19 years 11 months) (lineal flyweight champ) (Floyd just starting pro career at same age)

Record first 35 fights:

* W:33---- L:2--- KOs: 26 (74.3%)

* 2 weight division world titles by age 22


Like TS said, Pac very ordinary earlier in his career. :nut

 

I'm going to throw this out there, too, he was not physically mature at all in his early fights. He was still a boy fighting sometimes other boys and sometimes men. He probably didn't mature physically until he was 22 or 23 (I know when I was 19 I got hurt badly at 118 lbs fighting, the shots just bothered me, but later in my mid 20s at 125-130 I very rarely got rattled from bigger punchers because I was finally a man: I was stronger, more physically mature and able to handle the pressure).

Look at floyd's starting fight at age 18 or 19: like many black fighters he had the musculature he would carry into his late 20s already, was weighing over 130 lbs at times (sometimes at 131 to 133 for his non-title early fights) and was a mature adult. Pac was a boy in a man's sport. Tyson and a lot of early maturing guys were men at a boy's age, Pac was not. We are used to the young maturation age of many minority athletes in the united states but Pac lacked nutrition and probably even the genetic predisposition for early physical maturation.

 

so after barrera, he fought bums after bums like morales and marquez?

and where are these e-mails that he sent to the mayweathers? can you post any of them?

 

:good

 

i didn't know this part. so you are saying that black people/athletes had their body mature faster than anyone? yes i know that blacks are more athletic but didn't know that they mature and develop their body much earlier.

 

Floyd was a very special fighter himself from the moment he pecked out of his egg.

 

FloydDBest? did you also predict floyd and his future greatness by fighting hatton, jmm and ortiz at the higher weights?

 

I don't know if there is scientific evidence or reasearch done in this area, but I know so many runners on my track team and fighters I trained with who were as athletic as full grown men at 16/17, then their bodies did not change much. Even at 20 I still had the narrow shoulders of a boy, poor facial hair growth, little sex drive, and okay but not great upper body strength. At about 22 all those things came on. look at Floyd at his pro debut and he doesn't look any physically different than he did in his last fight at the weight of 130: same thick shoulders, same broad chest, same narrow waist. Between the ages of 18 and 26, unlike Floyd, I changed completely, and Pac did, too. Tyson was for sure a MAN at 17.

Yes, I do think there have been studies about maturation in minority groups and I am almost certain it is earlier in general for some groups than others.

 

Definetly questionable because I know alot of black guys who matured slow. I didn't have a beard unitl I was like 24. Looked like a boy with little muscle tone until I was that age and all of a sudden I started gaining muscle like crazy. But I agree Pac did develop at a late age.

 

like ariza said ...... he takes protien now

protien makes him bigger and stronger and able to take punches
from much bigger men

i bet he wishes he had took protien in his previous 50 fights
then earlier in his career he wouldnt have been rocked or hurt
by thoose smaller men atsch

why didnt he think of that before

 

Because Pac was so poor back then?

He only had his white rice back then which is only more in carbohydrates rather than protein