Andre Ward vs Chris Eubank

Are you on crack?!?!

At this stage wtf has Ward done to make you think he'd beat Eubank? Or while on the subject Froch, Kessler or Bute?

Eubank lost to Calzaghe, but arguably if the Eubank of a few years prior had have fought that same Calz then it would have been much tighter (or if the rumours of only a short notice period were true). If you watch the Eubank Calz fight, Eubank doesn't look as sharp or as fit as earlier in his career.

Calzaghe shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph as the S6. He was on another level.

THe current crop of SMW may be deep and competitive, but lacks any atg type talents. Eubanks era completely p*sses all over the current era. "The Super 6" would be called the "We don't care about you 6" as they wouldn't even get shots!

When the Super 6 started everyone was saying how weak the division was. Now those same fighters are ATG's in some peoples eyes for some reason. Unreal! Yes they have given us good fights, but prime past fighters would wipe them out.

SMW divison was pretty much set up for SR Leonard so I'm unsure what you're talking about being an English division. Only the English were interested in SMW as the English dominated during the 90's it and it looked so tough. No top US fighter wanted to risk fighting any of the Brits at that time. Easier, but similar commercial term fights could be made with US based contender types.

 

Eubanks era did suck, and the actual quality fighters Eubank didn't fight.

As for Eubank beating Ward, which Eubank are you referring to, the one that struggled terribly against Sherry (pre Watson) or the equally mediocre one post-Watson, that struggled against multiple non-entities?

Ward is far too versatile for Eubank, who simply wouldn't be good enough. I'll admit that Eubank would look amazing against, say, Bika. But other than that...

Don't make me put up Eubank vs Schommer on youtube....

 

Yes I agree Eubank made hard work of some sh*t fighters (some of his fights when he had the belt were a bore), but when he needed to he pulled out some great performances.

This thread was to a prime Eubank. Take Wards best career defining fight (which you'd be hard picked as he hasn't had one) Vs Eubanks. Eubanks best is better than Wards and vs much better opposition.

Ward may prove himself one day, but he hasnt yet.

That whole S6 is devoid of any atg type talent.

How did Eubanks Era suck? Have you seen those fights (not just Eubanks)?

 

You honestly think Ward beats Eubank, you need to follow another sport son

And you call me clueless atsch

 

Wards domination of Kessler was better than ANYTHING Eubank did.

People will point to Eubanks performance against Benn, but Watson did the same thing to Benn, only with less hassle and more ease. People get confused and say Eubank's performance was brilliant, when in reality the fight was, the performance slightly less so.

As for Eubank/Watson, as far as I'm concerned Eubank lost the first fight by dying in the championship rounds and was getting outclassed in the second against someone who may have had a pre-existing brain condition.

So tell me, where are these supposedly brilliant performances that Eubank had?

One other thing - Eubank never really had a prime. He had as many average performances in his earlier fights as he did later on, and his performance against Wharton was one of the best in his career. The performances of Eubank depeneded COMPLETELY on his opponents style - something that was first seen to be true in Eubank's fourth fight. If someone boxed at long range or smothered Eubank with workrate, Eubank would struggle.

Even worse, he was useless against counterpunchers, and his hopeless inability to box off the front foot was exposed. He had the worst balance of any well-known fighter I've ever seen and a ridiculously inconsistent right hand that went from the sublime to the truly ridiculous - and the ridiculous was seen more often.

 

Tell me what Eubank fights you've actually seen...

 

Basic maths suggests that Eubank's era was tenfold better than the current era, purely because there were about 10 times as many African-origin middleweights being churned out of the inner city gyms. It's not rocket science.

Then there's actually looking at the technique and there's no comparison. None at all. I agree with Teddy Atlas on that.


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So Eubank never had any good performances!?!?

Then why are we still debating his quality 14 years after he retired!?!?

His Watson and Benn fights were classic. I'd take any of those 3 Vs any of the S6!

If Ward retired today he'd be forgotten. He has a lot to prove until he's anywhere near there.

 

Ah, the myth of the Eubank-Sherry fight. Firstly, Sherry was good - he had over 100 amateur fights without being dropped and was undefeated as a pro with fast hands, fast feet, constant movement and was very physical.

Eubank did very well early on against Sherry's awkward style and built up a nice clear lead (had dropped him in the 1st with a jab), though became frustrated at Sherry's tap-and-run tactics and taunting in the mid-rounds - throughout this Eubank's defense remained top-notch, though. So even if he was struggling to put more than one punch in at a time on a mobile target, he was still out-working/out-landing/out-scoring Sherry.

Sherry's constant movement caught up with him after eight rounds and he looked absolutely certain to be stopped before Eubank produced the infamous back-butt.

I had Eubank sweeping the first six rounds, as he so often did.


Schommer fight? Sure, Eubank himself admits that, if he was judging that fight, it was Schommer's. But we all know how Eubank was struggling to get the weight off - all the press reported it in the papers pre-fight that Eubank was refusing a glass of water and doing thousands of push-ups and sit-ups by the swimming pool. They say his skin actually looked GREY at the weigh-in. Seconds after weighing in, he rushed over to a table to neck quart after quart of pure orange juice and pure pineapple juice, that were taken out of an icebox. Then went to bed.

Plus he was 6,000 feet above sea level, where the air is so thin it must've been a killer to get the 20-25lbs off or whatever.

Schommer probably won the fight by seven or eight rounds.

 

Both before and directly after the fight, Eubank denied having weight issues - although it was something that was oft-commented on by the commentators (Ian Darke?) during the fight. As for the altitude, Eubank had 3 weeks in Sun City to prepare, Schommer had only one, something that both fighters commented on in the pre-fight press conference.

As for Sherry....I'll go watch that again - although the bottom line is that he shouldn't have had any issues whatsoever with Sherry, and he did. I just said he looked bad, not that he was losing (he wasn't).

 

Eubank also says in his book he was physically sick going into the Schommer fight.

 

I don't recall that at all from when I read it, but I'll give it a skim to see if there's any mention of that. What I do recall is Eubank mentioning that he was psychologically put off by Schommer's appearance - the fact that Schommer was soft got to him, as well as the fact that Tony Thornton was a postman.

 

Agreed, I could barely believe my eyes when I saw that statement.

 

if anything there's a lot of British bias here. for the record I voted for Eubank in the poll.