"Floyd Mayweather sells more PPV's because he's American"

Ah, so i guess Gamboa, Andre Ward, Harrison, Wlad, Khan, DeGale, Solis, and plenty of other boxers do not in fact benefit from amateur exposure on the world level. Yes, it certainly does not help you in boxing(even as decayed as it is now) to have a good and internationally recognized amateur careeer. No, that won't help you get picked up by a big promoter at all.

There's no objective measure of 'who is more well known'. I don't try and quantify things like that because it's an argument with more holes than swiss cheese. Making that sort of assertion without data is stupid, and PPV numbers aren't necessarily an indication of overall awareness. If you asked me my OPINION, i'd say they're about as known now with Pac's commercials and CBS promotion.

It wasn't a statement of how popular Floyd would be, it was an approximation of how big the gulf in awareness and popularity SHOULD be between Floyd and Pacquiao given their differences in origin. Having trouble reading?

Agreed on the KO power thing. Not necessarily agreed on the Gold part, i think that you can be successful with any of the medals. As for boxing in america... It's still a bigger market than the philippines and a bigger international stage for the sort. End of. 'major US market'... As you say yourself the midwest has a history of skilled popular fighters, not sure what you're on about. Floyd and Pac's success is predicated on one thing really: how much better they are than their limited competition. It is not on their genuine strength that they flourish, but the weakness of their opponents.

 

Floyd is in-Famous like a Sonny Liston only for this era of boxing. Floyd is like John Gatti....a lot of people know him....a lot of people follow him but John isn't or wasn't POPULAR where loyal fans were knocking down his door and large corporations wanted to have him as someone associated with their product.

HATE or being despised is a very strong emotion. Don't be silly....There are PLENTY of folks with extra paper who drop 50 or 60 bucks on a fight without hesitation.

Floyd's fight with Shane wasn't considered a mismatch...neither was his fight with DLH or ricky.; MOST felt that Floyd would dominate and win, but the only fight he really domiated that was a major success was the JMM fight which was the ONLY fight that was considered a mismatch.

PAC's fights most receltnly have all been seen as mis matches....and he still generates over a million buys so it's possible for mis match fights to generate good numbers based on who is fighting.

Manny's endorspements that are SMALL are mostly asian. But the BIG HITTERS are US and UK based companies looking to cash in on the PAC phenomenon. His popularity means more revenue for them, which means more money and exposeure for PAC, which means more opportunity and exposure for Boxing.

Floyd plays his position well outside of the ring. he knows that he's the only other fighter than can call shots in boxing and he is going to do so. I don't blame him. So he does get more money than PAC in most of his fights but if there were a GRAPH indicating where BOTH men are in terms of their money made within boxing. The graph would indicate PAC is on the upswing while Floyd is on the down.

Tiger was ALWAYS the most popular golfer kid. Since even before turning pro. But he peaked already and his time at the peak of his popularity has faltered. He's lost a lot of popularity and even though he's still the most popular there are OTHER golfers getting more face time in the media. Tiger isn't getting a lot of press these days and he's not making the amount of money he use to b/c of his drop in popularity and marketability.

You're a fool if you think tiger's popularity is still what it was 3 yrs ago. But it does help expose where you are in terms of your thought process.

Kobe wasn't convicted and there were some who felt sorry for Kobe...sure he lost endorsements but KOBE is NOT where most felt he should be as the man Jordon was suppose to pass the torch to. Kobe isn't anywhere NEAR the popular NBA star that Mike Jordon was and that's b/c he's not as popular or as MARKETABLE.

When you are marketable, your popularity soars but you have to be something special to get the opportunites to be marketed on the level PAC is. Kobe isn't on that level. He could have been.

Lebron is anther story...he can become the face of the NBA and take over the spot Jordon held but he cant make any stupid mistakes and he must continue to win. That's what it's all about.

And again.....YES they will shell out 50 or 60 bucks to watch a man lose if he is despised enough like Floyd is. Beating women and threatening your own kids isn't exactly a quality that promotes "warm fuzzy" feelings to the buying market. Hate and being despised is a very strong emotion and YES...it will affect the numbers. Floyd is proof of that.

 

I'm not saying amateur success is an automatic golden ticket for ****'s sake. I'm saying that it's a great thing to have on your resume for financial/'cultural' awareness, as well as immediate attention from big promoters looking to pick up fresh talent to sell. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesnt.

Actually, you could do studies with both guys and polling to determine awareness. That's why research methods exist. There would be error, there always is, but there are studies you could design to test things like that.

You saying his head start doesnt matter is still nonsensical. The training, the internationally televised amateur career, the proper nutrition, the more frequent appearances in vegas venues and closed circuit television of course make a difference. Arguably as a fighter as much as financial success.

 

okay MW, whatever you say I guess.

 

Hell NO! And no one will support you in that statement. But it does clear up a lot with regards to why you have this warped perception of Floyd.

ALL revenue has gone down in Golf based on Tiger's downfall. Endorsments, time slots, attendance and ratings. So you can believe what you want, but in reality you are what some call "the guy with his head in the sand".

We've heard MORE about OTHER golfers in the last year than we have in the last decade since Tiger's success and popularity was soaring. Other golfers are loving the fact that Tiger has fallen from his pedestal which gives them the platform to get some recognition.

The sport has fallen a lot since Tigers situation was put on blast kid....and while Tiger is the most popular golfer bar none...he's NOT AS popular as he once was. Real talk.

There's A LOT of people who buy Floyd fights hoping to see the man lose. They didn't come out to support Floyd in his own country let alone in the UK to think his PPV numbers in the UK were based on HIS populrity and NOT Ricky's. You are sound foolish son.

And not many are in love with Floyd's style. Sure most repsect his ability but they more less considered Floyd boring.....It's based on Floyd's unique abiltiy to create drama that pulls casual folks in to the point where tehy are willing to shell out money just for the chance to see the man lose.

I didn't make PAC's marketablity "seem more". He did that himself. NIKE and a slew of other major corporations facilitated that notion...not me. I had no hand in that pearl.

Floyd has created a way to cut out middle men in his boxing career therefore the ability to keep most of the money he makes without having to pay the norm to promoters, managers and advisers. So his ability to KEEP most of what he makes in the ring shows when they look at what he makes per fight. Smart move for Floyd but it's sword that cuts both ways. He makes a lot of money in boxing but without it....he's not making money being a rapper or with his Filthy Rich records...that's for sure.

NIKE and Hewlett *******s are not what anyone would call.... a 3rd world country type of corporation.

 

Anyone who says Tiger is as popular as he was 3 years ago is just plain ******ed. He lost almost all of his endorsements, is not winning any golf tournaments, often injured and out of the public eye how is he still as popular as before? And yes, I'd buy a Floyd PPV (though I never bought one) if he's up against someone WHO HAS A CHANCE just to see him lose :thumbsup

 

I wouldn't call the kid ******ed... but he's trying really hard to support his man. There's a lot of boxing fanatics out there like him. I tried to help the kid out by letting him know how insane it was to believe that Tiger's popularity didn't fall, but he's the one who keeps rehashing the topic.

 

Woods is not as popular as he was 3 years ago.

He's still talked about, but not like he was talked about before like he was an invincible golfing robot. Half respect, half fear.

Now they talk about him "Will he ever get back to old form?" "Is Tiger's prime over?" and stuff like that.

I know personally, he's lost a lot of his shine now. Getting his ass kicked by his wife, plus getting half of all his money was a low too.

The embarassment of the mistresses going public was really bad.

So, saying he's still as popular or even almost as popular as when he was golf's golden boy, is not accurate at all.

 

LOL...nah... Watch golf and play it! It's an aquired taste and I don't have many boys who like watching it with me. Just like tennis...love watching it but I don't have a lot of friends who like it like I do.

You must have selective hearing.....in the "Little" that you watch. Tiger is a topic sometimes but most of the time these days it's about a bunch of OTHER young golfers coming up since Tiger no longer has a strangle hold on the sport.

I mean...MOST of the press tiger gets these days is about how bad he has done and how he's dropped in the ranks. It's not that far removed that Tiger was AMERICA'S MOST POPULAR ATHLETE and one of the most well recognized GLOBAL athletes...so sure....there's some over lap because of this.

No one ever said Tiger is not the most popular golfer still.. but in the sport he's not the poster boy anymore. He's still the main attraction when he's winning and playing but he's definitley NOT as popular as he was 3 yrs ago like you suggest.

And it's quite the novelty that a salad tossing ***** can call me a *******. You smell of struggle kid.. Don't sound so desperate. It's not a good look.

Ask the mexicans if they shelled out 53 bucks in hopes to see JMM upset floyd.:rofl

And I don't know where you get your numbers from with regards to Floyds earnings but Floyd doesn't beat PAC in earnings with just one fight.. PAC makes more in 2 fights than Floyd makes in one...and PAC makes more in endorsements than Floyd makes in any of his fights.

PAC's got that LONG money....the money that makes money on its own. That's what happens when you are marketable and POPULAR beyond the sport you make your profession. Floyd doesn't know anything about that unfortunately for him. But he could have.

Fact is PAC is asian...so of course MOST of his endorsements come from the asian Market... but when MAJOR US and UK coprporations take note and put him on the pay roll it indicates a MAJOR impact PAC's "Branding" has for investors.:yep

PAC's one of the richest athletes in the world.... not just in 3rd world countries genius. You are sounding more foolish and now STINK of struggle.:rofl