Would joe Frazier still be an ATG......

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  1. vironaprile8

    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    If he did'nt have the Trilogy with Ali?

    Notable wins:LHW Champion Bob Foster, Oscar Bonavena x2, Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo, Buster Mathis (Unbeaten), Jerry Quarry 2, Jimmy Ellis 2.
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Yes by virtue of his dominance from 67.

    However I think he'd be clearly behind tyson, holyfield etc.

    The victory over ali is significant to his high ranking as are his losses to him.
     
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    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His win over Ali is one of two candidates for best win at the weight ever. (that and Schmeling over Louis)

    He doesn't need it to be an ATG, but it does a hell of a lot.
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    He had a 5 year reign of being champion which is great but i feel during that time he kinda cherry picked..Am I wrong to say that?
     
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    No.
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    He fought some decent opposition including the reigning lightheavy champ. But was it consistently the best available opposition? I'd say no, especially with hindsight. No shavers, no norton, no patterson
     
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    I think so, but it would be close. Would have liked to see Frazier vs. Liston, Norton, Shavers, Mac Foster, or Lyle just to see if he could deal with a puncher. Bonavena nearly stopped Frazier.
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    Ernie Terrell, Liston, Zora folley too
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    Imo i feel liston would of KO'd frazier with ease!
     
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  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes,but not as high. The Ali fights contributed to his reputation.
     
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    if he never fought Ali, I don't think he would be great. Beating Ali and having those fights with him and being intertwined with Ali helped his legacy.
     
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    He definitely would be great! I feel that he'd make the top 20 heavyweights of all time, even without the trilogy.
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    Where would you put him? Surely not top 10?
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    Agreed!
     
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    vironaprile8 Quickslip_user Full Member

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    If you made a top 20 were would he be?
     
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