Bunce on Haye vs Klitschko - It will be no tickling contest

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  1. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Sage words from The Big Daddy :

    http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/98397.html

    Haye's vicious streak will floor Wlad

    The big dilemma in the David Haye-Wladimir Klitschko fight is whether David goes hell for leather, knowing that if he catches Klitschko high on the body, he will drop him - or whether he decides to box sensibly, like he did against Nikolai Valuev, in the hope Klitschko fights in the same clueless way that Valuev did.

    We know Klitschko is better than Valuev, and we also know David can be more aggressive than he was against Valuev, so I think he's going to have to mix the two styles.
    He needs to stay out of range of Klitschko's jab at all costs - but when he does get close then Wladimir won't do anything in a clinch, so don't be at all surprised if Haye smacks him with his shoulder or elbow. It's not going to be tickly in there - it's going to be nasty and vicious.
    I think Haye's worked on upper-body strength so that he doesn't get manhandled up close. Don't be at all surprised if this is ugly, and don't be at all surprised if it's nasty, with heads and shoulders going in. The Klitschkos are extremely naive, and David isn't.
    If the fight gets rough, Wladimir won't be able to handle it. He controls from the back foot, tenderising opponents for a few rounds so he can drop them later on - and, arguably, he does it better than any heavyweight in history. What he doesn't want is someone giving him a hard time from close range.
    So in addition to trying to crack the Klitschkos with a good shot, you've got to rough them up. Who's ever tried to rough them up? Lennox Lewis, that's who, and Vitali lost his mind.
    Think of it as a sprint - if this were a 100 metres dash, Haye would lose it by ten. So, in the ring, he's got to do something else, perhaps by using tactics designed to unsettle Klitschko.
    And we know his mind-games have already had an effect, because Klitschko's trainer Manny Steward admitted as much. David's said some vicious things, but there's nothing wrong with that, it's all part of the business.
    Don't be fooled into thinking that Haye's brash language is all bluster to cover up nervousness. I spoke to him and Adam Booth, his trainer, last week and they were as relaxed and as calculated as they look and sound.
    They were comfortable enough to stop the sparring a couple of weeks before the fight, and I have no problem with that. There are some fighters who spar up until the day, while some hardly spar at all. Nigel Benn sometimes sparred 15 rounds in the entire build-up to a fight, with only three of them serious.

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    Haye managed his sparring shrewdly, bringing in Olympic medallist David Price to mimic Klitschko, which is just what he needed to do in order to learn the Ukrainian's style.
    When the weigh-in comes on Friday, I can't see Haye being any heavier than he was against Audley Harrison - but he will definitely be faster in the ring. Everyone knows this one will be decided by speed, and particularly how fast Haye can be on the night.
    If he wins - and I think he will, in memorable, and perhaps controversial, style - I'd like David to have one more fight before retiring. Let him have a good homecoming, let him fight who he wants. Although ideally I'd like to see him back in Germany, fighting Vitali. That said, I think a defeated Haye has more chance of being forced into the ring against Vitali.
     
  2. Webzcas

    Webzcas Active Member Full Member

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    This should be posted in the general forum.

    Spot on Mr Bunce!
     
  3. WalletInspector

    WalletInspector Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :yikes

    I suppose that was one of the big differences between him and Eubank.
     
  4. Smoggy7188

    Smoggy7188 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good analysis, interesting he thinks there is a chance Haye will fight Vitali if he loses. Personally I think if he loses on Saturday he will just head off to Miami or Cyprus and pick up several hefty cheques now and again from the Hayemaker brand.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    "Nobody tried to rough Klitschkos up" ? :lol:
    What a load of crap. Sam Peter rabbit punched Wlad to the canvas. Wlad got up and dominated him.

    It's like the "nobody really tried to win against Wlad" line that keeps coming out. It's utter bollocks. An insult to a dozen professional challengers.

    Haye can win because he's got a fast hard punch. But it's very unlikely. He's NEVER fought at this level, never fought a world-class heavyweight puncher, his chin is even more dodgy that Klitschko's.
    Klitschko at 35 is the YOUNGEST heavyweight Haye has fought. Haye's fought has-beens and never-weres, and people are doubting whether Wlad's fought anyone ? :lol:
    Haye's stepping up from 2nd or 3rd division into the Premiership.

    Some of these articles are plain embarrassing.
     
  6. bam bam

    bam bam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does Buncey ever pick against the non Brit?
     
  7. mani0

    mani0 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree if Haye gets flattened like Hatton they would then probably say Hayes just a blown up cruiser.
     
  8. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Eubank claims he used to spar hard up until the day before the fight itself.
     
  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Buncey forgot to add that many of those who tried to "rough things up" with either brother had to take a hell of a lot of punishment before they were able to turn things around.

    Purrity, Peter I, Lewis, Byrd (vs. Vitali), Brewster I

    Haye wouldn't be able to take even a fraction of the punches these guys took to do the job. So much for the "roughing up" gameplan.
     
  10. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That list just backs up what Bunce has said.

    If Haye does the same, he'll stand a good chance. What you forget is that Haye is quicker than everyone on that list and therefore less likely to get hit.
     
  11. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Bunce clearly said in close with shoulders and elbow to counteract Wlads dirty tactics of holding and leaning. Wlad won't like the rough stuff. Trust me. :hey
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    He's been hit by slower, less skillful fighters.
    Ruiz was even catching him with jabs. Haye's got a sloppy defense, he has fast hands but his feet aren't quick.
    He's not getting to Wlad without getting hit.
     
  13. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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  14. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Very good. Did you think that up all by yourself or are you aping your three year old daughter?
     
  15. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Don't play with the facts to suit your agenda...do your research :thumbsup