Gamboa-Ponce de Leon for September 10th? Update-Ponce ready, Gonzalez not.

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  1. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Well, to become more refined was neccessary, seeing as he got blown away in a round with his previous method of going about his work.

    He has come so far it pains me to see his hard work not acknowledged. He has indeed probably plateaued in his comeback progress, and is still not as refined a boxer as even the majority of inexperienced up-and-comers. Still, we aren't talking about someone who went from being terrible to slightly less terrible, or capable to very good. He got absolutely pasted, went back to the drawing board, and went from being quite poor to at least decent(as in, improving his abilities as a boxer), while retaining what
    made him successful in the first place i.e. his power.

    For me, he's undefeated since his comeback, I really think he was short-changed to a major degree against Broner. I'm not going to say it was some kind of heinous piece of work, but let's just say he didn't exactly deserve to be on the wrong end of the decision. Bearing in mind that was at super-feather, and how good Broner has looked after(granted, against Litzau, whose chin is pretty attrocious) it puts into context how well Ponce has done.
     
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    boxingcrazy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    don't get me wrong cause i'm a de leon fan but its all well being refined but he seems too subdued at times now, i'd just like him to mix it up a bit thats all, give us some of what made us fans in the first place
     
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    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    But I don't think you can really complain when adaptation is neccessary. I mean, you have to look out for number one in the long run. Take Barrera for example. Now, I'm not insinuating that Ponce ever will be, nor has been better than Barrera, but he's a relevant example. He could've given us the kind of wars like Morales 1 fight after fight, but would that have benefitted him? No. So he set about changing things up, and he became an excellent boxer.

    Now, like I said, Ponce has only become a half decent boxer really, but it's just that little bit(bit harsh in retrospect, huge improvement in actual fact) of a change that could help him to a great extent in the long run. And it evidently has, in my mind he's still pretty much undefeated since his comeback, and that's a testament to the improvement he's made. He could go in all guns blazing with regularity, but what good would that do him?
     
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    but he could still mix it up at times, i'm not saying de leon should forget these new found boxing skills but at the same time taking a risk or 2, (especially in the broner fight) has the power to take people out whereas if he sits back too long he will be outboxed by the better boxers in the division.
     
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    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I was referencing Barrera with the part you highlighted.

    As for PDL, in every non-tune-up fight he's had(where he's carried the guy to get rounds in) he's stopped them. Cruz, Escalante and Medina all taken out. And the one guy he didn't stop-Broner- pretty much ran the entire fight, and it's generally accepted that PDL got jobbed there.

    He's having more success since his comeback, he's beating guys much more convincingly. Before his loss to Lopez, he got a lucky decision against Penalosa, a defeat to Caballero, a first round KO over Bautista, and a lot of unconvicing performances where he was winning, but not too impressively. You could argue that hasn't got the big name wins, but his performances have picked up, he's no longer dropping loads of rounds because he's intent on imposing his power, he's much more effective now, and applies it better. Add to that the fact that he should have gotten the win against Broner-the same way he should have a loss to Gerry- and not only is his resume not that much worse, he'd build on it to make it better.
     
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    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    With a bump bump here and a bump bump there, here a bump there a bump, everywhere a bump bump.
     
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    Its always entertaining watching Ponce De Leon but he's getting
    stopped here unfortunately.
     
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    Updated.
     
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    Would have loved to see a Gamboa-Gonzalez fight :fire
     
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    Ponce>Gonzalez.
     
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    **** that ****, Jhonny's a better boxer, more explosive puncher and he's fragile as ****. Would be a fun fight.

    Ponce/Gamboa is still a good fight though.
     
  12. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Gonzalez would get starched inside the opening 4, won't happen to Ponce. He applies pressure much better than Gonzalez, with a more varied arsenal. He has more strings to his bow now post-Lopez.
     
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    I think Ponce can test Gamboa more than most have so far.
     
  14. Tommy O C

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    Wouldnt like Gonzalez against Gamboa, woldnt go 3 rounds. Personally Id prefer if they ****ed Gamboa out and left Gonzalez and Ponce go at it.

    If it is Ponce against Gamboa youd have to fancy Gamboa by stoppage. Granted PDL has improved his defence but hes still no Whittaker. I dont think hes chinny or anything after the Juanma loss but Gamboas so explosive I think he will get to him. Not sure if PDL is uite the same puncher at FW either. The Escalante KO was great but dont think hes as dangerous as he was
     
  15. SextonPab19

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    "They(Broner and Gamboa) do have somewhat similar styles but Gamboa is much more dangerous and powerful. Broner had little power and I knew this almost straight away. I know to be very careful with Gamboa."