The "Haye is to small and not a natural HW" excuse that is starting to gather pace

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  1. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why does this new excuse keep coming up? Haye is not a small heavyweight. In fact he is bigger and stronger than nearly every other top 100 heavyweight from all time. Let's not forget that Haye is the same size and only ever so slightly below in weight to the young George Foreman who was seen as a physical monster.

    If Haye loses this excuse is obsolete, you better start working on the tactics didn't work angle or that he simply wasn't good enough.
     
  2. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Size matters. That's why there's weight classes. Wlad is a lot bigger than Haye.
     
  3. Arran

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    haha well if you listen to Vitalis interview yesterday he said Haye wont win because he isnt 'a real heavyweight'....so if its good enough for vitali.....
     
  4. horst

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    Obviously it's of extreme importance in the fight that Wlad has big advantages in weight, height and reach, that's just too obvious to even discuss at all.

    However: who cares. Haye knows what size Wlad is, it's up to him to figure out a way of defeating him, and if he doesn't, it's because Wlad is the superior heavyweight. They are both heavyweights now, Haye holds a belt in the division and can weigh up to 222lbs while having very little body fat. He is a heavyweight, undoubtedly. I personally haven't seen anyone saying otherwise, think maybe the TS has fabricated this little issue in his own mind..
     
  5. Sir Will Wigan

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    It is a matter of both. The tactics will not be effective enough to overcome the skill gap. David has to survive and get lucky with one punch or a freakish WK cut/injury while doing so. It is the "puncher's chance" and, for him tonight, it is around 10%.
     
  6. Manning

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    So, Audley and Valuev were also a lot bigger than Haye.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

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    I said this in another thread a few minutes ago:

     
  8. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is Wlad more skilled than Mayweather? no
    Would he beat Mayweather? yes
    Why? size

    A good big guy beats a good little guy.
     
  9. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spooky.
     
  10. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    exactly what i was going to say
     
  11. drunkboat

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    'Too' small not 'to' small. Unless it's a new verb that I've never heard of.
     
  12. Manning

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    Do you think personally young George Foreman or Ali couldn't beat Vitali because they're "not real heavyweights? "
     
  13. Sir Will Wigan

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    Quite right.

    Obviously, there are different categories of small and large for example. Take brain mass for instance. No doubt that the smallest HW champion in the history of boxing in the category has been Valuev.
     
  14. Arran

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    :rofl find me one fighter that Foreman fought that was as heavy as Wlad. There isnt a single one! dick!

    the only guy ali beat close to wlads weight was Mathis
     
  15. Manning

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    You didn't answer the question.