Haye constantly goin to ground.

They had all these plans trying to be so smart and forgot that they have to take a risk if they want to win. I've always asked people here on the forum "Did Sanders come with big plans and mindgames or did he simply bet the farm on a big win early".

Sometimes all these plans and mind games make you look a little foolish if you don't come with the willingness to risk getting knocked out in order to secure a win.

Sanders knew it was either himself going out on a stretcher very early in the fight or he'll knock Wlad out cold and it worked for him. That's how Haye should have played it, yes it's risky but that's how you beat Wlad. Not with the Valuev II gameplan.

 

clearly a pre-determined tactic

ref was dreadful - he was way to slow to pick up on Wlad doing it, then way to slow to tell haye to stop diving, culminating in that ridiculouse 'knockdown'.

In the 12th, when Haye hurt Wlad with the big right, Wlad grabbed, and held Haye down for about 10 seconds and the ref did nothing

 

I thought the ref did an ok job actually. Wlad did purposely lean on him early and then haye voluntarily went down on his own later.

Reminded me of andre dirrell, pretty embarrassing for Haye

 

It became clear WHY Haye did that yet it was appalling to see the ref let it go on for so long, imo.

 

i thought the reason haye was on the floor so often, was because his boxing was all over the place. he was changing in, off balance, and wlad was just taking a step back and the slightest cuff/punch/touch from wlad was knocking haye to the floor.
i think the referee called the "knockdown" to punish haye for falling to the floor all the time, he did it to show him he can't keep going to the floor time after time.

 

No, a fighter has to remain upright during a fight, you only go down from the impact of a shot/when taking a knee. Haye slipping to the ground intentionally to avoid an awkward situation he might have received a count / a points deduction every time he did that. Dont forget thats another way of buying time, its simply not legal. Haye was lucky it took the ref so long top punish him for it. A disgusting strategy.

 

I thought the ref did a good job. There was very very little holding in the fight. Haye going down to the ground, helplessly looking to the ref was quite shameful but I guess that was their secret weapon against Wlad's leaning so I understand why he did it.

 

It was a frustrating tactic but to be honest it was quite smart - it was a decent attempt to make Wlad look dirty and try to sway the ref onto Haye's size, and it did a good job of stopping the clinches.

Sorta like a Hopkins tactic, it's not sportsman like but it kidna did the job.

 

Yes I agree it was definitely a gameplan and I also agree the ref only called the KD because he was fed up with it.

 

Wlad uses his natural advantages so when Haye comes in to land a flurry, like we all knew he would do, Wlad will lean on him and push him down, I don't blame him for doing this because he has that advantage and uses it.

So I don't know what people expectewd Haye to do under that circumstance. You saw what happened when he didn't take a knee in the 12th, Wlad got him in a headlock and was considering the DDT in the 15 seconds it took the ref to decide that Wlad had recovered and split them up.

 

He called the KD because he couldn't take a point away for it when it WAS instigated by Wlad, I uunderstand his reasoning.

It was still bull**** though.

 

It was bull **** to deduct wlad a point in the first place, imo as if he was pushing haye to the ground. Haye looked more like a jiu jitsu type of fighter than a boxer flopping to the floor at the slightest body contact. The ref was too lenient

 

I think Mills Lane would have dq'd Haye if he was the ref. One way or another, he would not have let a heavyweight championship bout continue in that manner and had the guts and courage to not accept constant trips to the canvas.