Wlad is not top 20 at heavy, Haye doesn't make 100.

wlad is like a mix between lennox lewis and holmes for me, name 20 better?

 

He doesn't have the footwork of Holmes, the fluidity, or the speed. I don't really see the comparison there aside from the jab, in which Larry's was quicker, more versatile, and sharper. I kind of see Wladimir as a lesser version of Lennox Lewis, without Lennox's punch variety or overall ability, but with similar power and jabs.

 

Easily top twenty and I don't really see any effective counter argument to that.

He's spent 5 years as the best heavyweight in the world unifying 4 of the 5 belts and beating a host of top ten opposition. He's 19-2 against guys who have featured in the top ten. Beaten everyone he's fought in the last 7 years.

I don't see how any sensible person can leave wlad out of a top twenty.

Vitali is a different matter...

 

Vitali makes your top ten? Based on what? H2H?

He's beaten a couple of contenders in one of the weakest era's in heavyweight history.

H2H Vitali can obviously make a top 20, but leaving Wladimir out simply because he's too vulnerable is kind of strange, in my honest opinion. He has the style to beat a lot of fighters out there.

Put 'em in a time machine and I can definitely see Wladimir being a force in the 70's. He'd probably beat Quarry, Chuvalo, and with the right game plan Shavers and Bonavena. He even has a hell of a chance against Frazier and Foster!

Obviously he loses to Foreman, Holmes, and Ali. Could lose to Frazier as well. But he would still make quite an impact, me thinks.

 

wlad is already in my top 10

 

I think he could be top 10. He makes it easily in top 20 IMO.

 

you have an intresting opinion..

 

He couldn't break top twenty now.

Because he already did a year or two ago. Go to the Classic Form, search the thread where there was a top 20 hw video based on the votes of the posters, and Wlad was in the top 20. He was 19 I think. In fact, many would think that he's top 15.

That was before he beat Haye.

There are ten heavyweights better than him, but 20? 10 title defenses, practically unifying the division, being the best HW of the 2005-2011 era, defeating most of the top contenders, winning and dominating time and time again all the opponents available to him. What else do you require of him? You might not like his style, but its effective given his opposition and his era, which is all that we should ask of boxers.

Haye is a fast puncher whom many predicted will KO Wlad. We saw what happened.

You might not think much of him in head to head terms, but in achievements, he certainly cannot be denied his place in Heavyweight history.

And its on resume and accomplishments that fighters are rated, not on some imaginary head to head comparisons.

 

So your list is based on who you think beats who in some sort of gigantic fantasy box off?

H2H lists are really subjective and impossible to prove.

Vitali, aside from a brief window, has spent his active years behind both lewis and wlad. He has all the tools but he's lost to the best guys he faced and had his prime years taken away from him so we'll never know how good he could have been unless wlad loses sometime soon, but I think vitali is more likely to lose sooner.

 

I've always said this: If Wlad defeats Haye and then continues to rule the division for another 2-3 years (4-5 fights) then he will be considered a top 10 HW ATG by boxing historians in 10 years. If (and that's a big if) he doesn't suffer another devastating defeat along the journey. That's critical to his legacy at this point.

He won't go down as a big toe-to-toe warrior but he can rack up "points" by dominating and ruling an endless string of young, hungry contenders.

So far so good. He'll continue boxing and rack in a couple more good wins. Not sure where he'll take his motivation from now. I guess it will be hard for himself to get amped up for a fight against somebody like Povetkin or a Chambers rematch.

 

He's in my top 20 fo sho

 

Agreed but Vitalis inclusion (Or Wlads exclusion, depending on how you look at it) is based on many peoples opinions that prime for prime, he is the better of the two brothers.

Whether you want to take skills or accomplishments into the judging is another matter..