Primo Carnera is as big as Wlad...

That wasn't your question though. Your question was what adjustments could he have made. My answer was that your question is redundant, because adjustments to a terrible strategy would be immaterial, he should've approached the fight radically differently.

Yet again, I say David Haye does have heart. But I do not agree he fought with it last night. In my opinion, he did not. He fought to not get stopped. I expected better.

Haye's approach was all wrong. Wladimir Klitschko is far too technically accomplished, far too big, and far too good for a much smaller and lighter man to beat him in the way Haye tried to... or didn't really try to. Great fights call for great hearts, great risks, great efforts and great strategies. Haye provided none of these things. He took the safe option and got beat on points. In every way, a miserable performance from him. I may be an idealist, but I'm proud to be one.

 

Agreed 100%

I would still like to see Chagaev vs Haye.

 

So what's your fight plan technically? If you've seen Haye, analysed his skills you'll know he wouldn't have the tools to implement that strategy. A fighter can't suddenly change his style in 3months, he should have been changing his style for 4years and picking up different techniques, he didn't have the right trainers to hone him though. It all boils down to Haye is a terrible front foot boxer, he's a very good backfoot counter puncher or potshotter, he's good of those but they are redundant against Wlad's technical pressure jabbing style

I just rewatched the first half of the fight, its pretty competitive over the first 6, yes he was trying to win, getting outboxed doesn't mean you aren't trying

 

Wow, I think its a mis-match. Primo does not win a round, and gets stopped.

 

I don't buy that the only option available to Haye was the horrible one he and Booth selected. Wladimir is not Nikolay Valuev, he could never be beaten by such tactics. That gameplan was an automatic defeat. He should've been far more aggressive, irrespective of whether he fought on the front foot or the back. We know Wlad can be hurt, can be unsettled, can be sent into retreat. Haye is fast, explosive and powerful. This fight didn't sneak up on him PP, it was scheduled to go ahead in 2009, Haye has had years to improve his head movement coming forward, which would of course be a necessary component of a fight plan which would trouble Wlad. He has had years to work out how to get inside a jab, explode a combination, and slide out again. If he had tried to do so and failed, I would not criticize him, because Wladimir Klitschko is a huge man and a superb boxer. But he didn't dare to try this. He settled for a points defeat with as little risk to him as possible. It was dire.

He wasn't giving his all to win, it was safety-first throughout. This would have been perfectly understandable if he'd planned to go all-out in the latter rounds, but he didn't. He tried to get to the bell without getting stopped. This deserves criticism.

 

Agree completely. Completely.

 

Totally agree. :good

 

Not yet, I had a family event, and the host did not have HBO. I did however read round by round updates via Internet phone. I'll have to catch a you tube link later. So far I have only seen clips.

If Haye is a good to very good puncher, then perhaps Wlad's chin more solid than most think. Peter, and Haye landed some hard stuff. I see you now feel Wlad is worthy of a top 10 all time spot. Kudos for evolving.

What could Haye have done differently? How many punches did he throw? I think there's the short answer. From a tactical stand point, I'll have to watch the fight to see.

 

That's how he always fights though - looking to counter punch or potshot. He's never had a high workrate and he threw the same as normal

I think this is a last round effort - certainly not 'fighting to survive as Popkins suggested'

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI9j9E1yTF8[/ame]

 

Why wait until the last round? That is crap, like getting up just after the count hits 10. If you are down several rounds on the cards you need to get moving, and press the action, not retreat and look for select moments to engage.

Haye who is listed at 6'3" ( looks like 6'1 1/2" to 6'2" to me ) is not going to counter over the top of Wlad's jab. To engage, he needs to be willing to move forward and start throwing without advancing to the point where a clinch can happen. Haye simply lacked the will to do this. However Arreola did not. Arreola gave it his best. While the strategy made him eat leather more often than not, at least he tried to win. Haye by the looks of was not willing to do it.