Primo Carnera is as big as Wlad...

You've written an interesting post here, I appreciate the effort and insight, but I still disagree on the point in red. Saying he didn't show the heart necessary to win a career-defining fight is indeed very accurate, because he didn't. Simple as that. Irrespective of whether he fought on the outside like he did or whether he tried to be more aggressive and go in and out, he could have approached the fight with a certain fire, determination, courage and real desire to take the risk to win and become great. No matter how many hundred or thousand words you write, you can't change the fact that he simply did not show this. You can't change the evidence that's on tape. :deal

 

Agreed.

 

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There is no problem with being over matched but you have to try, they just want to get their cheque and get another big pay-day, esp' in your biggest fight.

Wlad can be ko'd and Haye should have tried to take his head off, but what do you expect when guys would rather talk their way to a big pay-day than earn it.

 

Yeah, I wanted to write the one who fought Lewis. Sorry for that slip.

I base that on Carnera´s peak performances and Vitali´s recent. Hell, Sosonowski won a round against him. Sosonowski!

Haye picked Wlat because the chances are greater? Where did you get that from?

 

In boxing these days, too many people are satisfied with stay-busy punches and fighters trying to stay out of harm's way, I don't know whether this is because one of two premiere fighters of the era (Mayweather) is so adept at not getting hit that it makes these people think that not getting hit is the be all and end all of fighting, and so anyone getting hit is seen as stupid or inferior, but this is wrong. Mayweather has a defence that no-one else in boxing currently can match, in most of his fights (not all) he still manages to put some hurt on his opponents as well as ensuring he takes as little punishment as possible. But because so many people (rightly) admire this style, they misinterpret any over-cautious display as being in the same vein, and it simply isn't. So many comments on Haye-Valuev on the General Forum praised Haye for his clinical elusive boxing style, doing enough to win and not put himself in any danger at any stage. Sorry, but if you view Valuev as a dangerous fighter you shouldn't even be a fan of boxing never mind a boxer. Haye could've got the giant joke out of there in style if he'd fought with any real conviction or desire, if he'd committed himself to any punches before the last round. There is a massive difference between flailing around the ring Gatti-at-his-wildest style and being aggressive in an intelligent fashion, committing to punches and trying to win the fight as emphatically as possible. Nothing anyone can ever say or do can convince me of the merits of Haye's displays against Valuev or Wladimir Klitschko, because the evidence on tape screams at me that David's primary goal was not sustaining any damage, and if he managed to sneak the decision in the process then so be it. I just don't view this as an acceptable mentality in boxing. As I've said before, I may be being an idealist, but I'm proud to be one, I will never be the sort of fan who congratulates a Haye for a Valuev performance. I believe in the mentality of modern fighters like Pacquiao and Morales, where you formulate a fight plan that is designed to emphatically win the fight, and then go out there with some fire and some passion, and execute that fight plan as aggressively and intelligently as possible, and if you get hit in the process, then you fire straight back with everything you have. :fire:fire:fire

 

You guys are over analyzing things for Haye. In most Wlad fights, there is a moment where he lands his first hard right hand or hook, and it makes the other guy gun shy. That happened to Haye fight in round five when Wlad landed a big right hand. After that punch things changed. Haye must have thought to himself, I can't afford to take many of these and went defensive. Hence, Haye lacked the courage, will to win, and heart to become more aggressive. He settled in on a safety first method which cost him rounds, and only gave himself a few chances via counter or angles to attack.

With all this smack talk, Haye's fans should be disappointed. The excuse after the fight reeks of BS. Haye seemed to move around just fine in the match. To claim a broken toe 3 weeks ago, then say I'm not giving any excuses was humors. Face it Haye fans, he knew his chances of winning were slim. He hyped himself up, you bought into it it blindly, then he delivered a safety first performance.