Why are fans of 'The Sweet Science' (Floyd/Bhop fans) slow to defend the Klitschkos?

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  1. Double Jay

    Double Jay Active Member Full Member

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    Because JMM was not small or overmatched when he faced Floyd?

    There is only on reason: Floyd and Hopkins are "slick" black americans. Wlad and Vitaly are "russians".
     
  2. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    get this :If Wlad is just a big guy (not a robot )any more, why in the world with all you haters,You cant get one American ,any man, any where that can beat The REAL live HULK!!!!:yep:yep:yep...:hi:
     
  3. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with the original thesis of this topic. Wlad especially gets the most out of his abilities and has good defense. Not slick defense like B-Hop or Floyd, but he avoids getting hit flush and stays out of trouble especially when he does (i.e. clinching which is in fact part of boxing). I'm a Klitschko fan though, guess I'm just clearly a nuthugger.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    He actually pressed the action against Marquez. Not only that, but that was coming off an almost 2 year layoff and Marquez was rated no.2 p4p at the time. Furthermore, you can't name me more than 3 guys in Mayweather's entire career that he fought that was smaller than him.

    You can't compare that to Wlad engaging in a one sided jab fest against some B level HW who's only there for a paycheck. And I'll tell you this, there are probably more Mayweather fans who are complimentary towards Wlad than the other way around. Now of course if I were to say these Wlad fans were only racists who were only cheering for Wlad because he was white, I would get heavily criticised.
     
  5. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    You are debating with a moron!!!!
     
  6. Diggersan

    Diggersan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is not slick, he's dirty theres a difference, I wish someone would do a video of all the times that BHOP has punched his opponent behind the head and just run one right after the other, I'm guessing its over 100 times.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    What a complete idiot you are IT WAS YOU WHO COMPARED A WELTERWEIGHT AND A LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TO A HEAVYWEIGHT FIRST!

    Look at the title of your own thread ******, your the one who first compared fighters from different divisions.

    But I'll follow your ****** rules. Lennox Lewis is another fighter who was seen by some as being too defensive and in one performance especially in the first fight against Holyfield, he did receive some unfair criticism for being too passive. Yet Lewis still landed 119 power punches yep that's 90 more than Wlad landed against Haye. So a boring Lewis performance means landing about 3-4 times as many power punches as Wlad does. :happy

    Also I mentioned nothing about Vitali, I am a Vitali fan and he is entertaining to watch he actually throws punches and combinations. There is no comparison with the brothers in this regard.
     
  8. Diggersan

    Diggersan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    quit trying to justify mayweather's win over Marquez, I could understand it if both were in the same weight class at the time but they weren't.

    your of right of course about comparing floyd and bhop to Wlad, Wlad is a tall heavyweight who has no inside game but makes up for it with a dominate jab and decent defense.
     
  9. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Yes Mayweather and Hopkins are far superior boxers. They use their skills and ability and intelligence to the fullest. They also don't have to lug around 230+ pounds in weight. Mayweather also uses his long legs and arms to his advantage to move away whether it be to the side or backwards. Being only 5'8, Floyd has the reach of an average 6 foot man. Wlad in this case uses his natural length advantage attributed to his height much like Floyd does without the side movements. Basically, Wlad is using his natural abilities to the fullest and doing so effectively. It may not be as pretty to watch as Floyd and Hopkins, but it is efficient and effective and had lead to long term dominance in their weight divisions. Isn't that what 'The Sweet Science' is all about? Hitting without getting hit? Isn't that what the Klits do? Isn't that what Floyd/Bhop fans say when some fans say they are boring because they don't slug it out? I've never heard any those fans reply "they exchange from time to time, that's why were big fans". Nope. The response is always, "they are boxers who hit without getting hit." So why the hate for the Klits? Oh because these 230+ pound heavyweights can't move quite like Floyd and Bhop. :patsch
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm not trying to justify that win. That was basically a tuneup for Floyd. However, that's a hell of a tuneup considering an older Marquez fighting again at WW is now considerded a legit opponent for Pacquiao. My point was that you can't say that Mayweather simply beats up on smaller men based on that one fight considering he barely fights guys smaller than him and considering how much better that smaller guy is than the guys Wlad has been fighting.

    That's fine. However, his fights are not intriguing, and he does fight overly cautious even against completley overmatched opponents who have little desire to win.
     
  11. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I compared fighting philosophies, not punch stats. I liked Lennox Lewis too. Funny how they didn't like him here in the US. I bet if he was born here and from the Midwest the attitudes towards Lennox would be different. As for Vitali, yes he is more exciting, but for some strange reason shares the same amount of hate his younger brother gets. How many times have you read that the Klits have ruined heavyweight boxing? IMO both fighters would have given problems to any heavyweight of any era with their style, skill and size. Both win effectively with thier safety first styles, but don't get the support from fans across the Atlantic for that same philosophy. That's what this thread is about. They get zero credit from the same US fans who worship pure boxers.
     
  12. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    So Floyd had 3 inches and 40lbs on Marquez. Ok. :lol:

    Btw, how many power punches did Mayweather land on Marquez and how many did Wlad land on Haye?
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    No moron. Sweet Science is called the "Sweet" science, because its sweet. Meaning its pretty, make you go "ohh ahh" "how the **** did he do that"

    What Wlad does is what should be called Sour science. Watching him fight is like biting into a lemon. :lol:


    What the hell does being 230lbs have to do with upper body movement, being able to fight on the inside, throw body punches and not simply jump out of the way despite having massive physical abilities?

    The Klitsckos dont lack the ability to move you moron. infact its why they are so hard to hit. They are very adept at jumping backwards when an opponent tries to attack.


    :patsch You dont know what the **** you're talking about.
     
  14. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Wlad struggled to land 20% of his punches on David Haye. A B level cruiserweight who's best heavyweight victory was a close decision over Nikolai Valuev. :rofl

    Ali would toy with Wlad.



    First of all. The Heavyweight champion of the world isnt supposed to be "safety first". He's supposed to be a killer. The baddest man on the planet.


    Welterweights are expected to be Sugar ray leonard. Thats the template. Heavyweights are expected to be killers.


    And no way in hell is Wlad Klitscko a pure boxer ******. Mayweather and Hopkins can defend and mount an offense all at the same time.


    Manny Steward was imploring Wlad to land a check left hook on Haye when he was lounging in. He couldnt do it. Because he can only fight offensively or defensively. He cant do both at the same time.


    You dont know **** about BAXIN!
     
  15. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Lewis was from the US I don't think the British people would like him all that much either.