The Siver-Wiman decision was disgusting, and sadly Wanderlei should be cut now.

Simply because he isn't as graceful on the ground as Maia or swift striking as Anderson. Oh well, he's provided many many highlight reel knockouts!

Sidenote: This was an absolute amazing card! Every televised live fight impressed me. I got a chance to finally watch the card.

 

I think Stann actually has a relatively strong case for his standup. We see what he did to Leben, we pretty much know Leben is the type of guy who will get handled by guys that will employ a solid strat *Like Bisping*

Maybe the next fight for Leben is a rematch with Bisping to show he is capable of employing an actual fight game. Maybe the high and confidence coming off a Wanderlei win will help him with this aspect of his game.. If he is going to improve, its going to improve his fight game and be able to compete, he is going to have to be able to employ the sort of fight game that will be conducive to fighting guys who aren't going to want to trade with him.

Stann, is already there.. I would like to see Stann fight a guy like Bisping who is the ultimate gatekeeper. A guy who doesn't have huge power but is well rounded, and usually has a solid overall fight game.

I suspect Stann would beat most guys standing, but would have a rough time with fighters who are going to want to lnp, or wall n stall. His size and strength advantage seems to be something he takes advantage of very well. After seeing Wand fall like this, I'm interested to see how Stann carries himself and how he uses his fight game. He isn't Wanderlei, but he may have the same sort of fighting spirit. He is a Marine, so long as he keeps it classy I'll always be rooting for him.

 

Damn right on the Marine part!!! Ooh Rahhhh!!!!!

Yea Leben vs the Bisping/Miller loser makes sense. Although I think Mayhem makes short work of him.

 

Semper Fi! Hoping Miller can shut Bispings mouth. Would love to see Stann get in there and knock the limey into next month.

Loud mouthed cocky mother****er that Bisping is.

 

I don't know this Anarchy guy from Cain, but is it really that hard to see what he's saying? Depending on the list, I often think that there are guys above Leben that he beats the crap out of when he's at his best. That's underrated. Too many of you guys get your panties in a bunch because you seem to think that he's talking about your rankings which no one has ever seen or cares to.

At some point, depending on how things go I'd like to see him rematch Stann. Their fight always looked odd to me, as Leben looked worse even than he did against Rosholt.

Keep in mind though that someone who wants to move and pot shot who has any skill at all will always beat him just like happened in the Bisping fight. Guys that stand in front of him though are in deep ****.

 

There wasn't anything odd about it, at all. It's exactly what you said, he was facing a guy with far better movement that was setting Leben up great with angles, but instead of potshotting, Stann was landing big power and following up with combinations. Leben's hands are complete **** and the only time he "outstrikes" someone is when they decide to play Rock 'em Sock'em Robots with him and stand on a dime trading. Invariably they fall before he does because his chin hasn't revolted on him....yet. If Leben doesn't retire early he'll end up being chinnier than Chuck because of the otherwordly abuse his dome has taken.

 

I thought it was a very clear cut decision.
It was a good fight, close to be sure, but Siver controlled the stand up in rounds 1 and 3 and stuffed so many takedowns.
According to the rules, he won those rounds.
Wiman came close to finishing in the second, but it was easily Siver's fight.

 

Stann looked better than I've seen him in that fight, but Leben looked much worse. The rest of your "analysis" is a bunch of **** and you're just doing the same thing that all of the rest of the "chinchecker" attention ***** bitchboys do which is denigrate the toughness of fighters who were tougher at six years old than you'll ever be. Cote, Rivera, Sakara, Starns, Martin, Akiyama... all of them have great hands and Leben either outstruck them or held his own. You may not like to watch him fight, but the lengths that you're going to make him sound bad are hilariously off base. **** off to the boxing forum with the rest of your worthless kind and stop polluting a decent subforum.

 

He's terrible and you expose your complete lack of understanding of boxing when you say that Leben looked worse than ever in that fight. No, he looked exactly like he did the last time he fought a puncher with good movement in Anderson Silva, ie completely lost within ten seconds of being turned and hit. Bisping befuddled him with lateral movement, as well, but he didn't score the KO because he's your typical glass jawed, feather fisted Brit hypejob. And still better than Leben LOL :tong

You honestly believe those C-level fighters have "great hands"? You, sir, need to **** off back to whatever state hospital you escaped from because you're obviously mentally ill. Kalib Starnes and "great hands" put in the same sentence???:rofl

 

That's a fair assessment. I agree.

I keep saying this about different fighters, but not everyone can be the best. Some people seem to think if you're not champ, then you're a chump. I bet there are a less fighters better than Leben than there are worse than Leben.

 

Actually Patrick Cote and Terry Martin have phenomenal hands, Akiyama as well.

 

THANK GOD SOMEONE GETS IT!!! I would pick up your bar tab if I could right now!! I made my points CRYSTAL CLEAR and NOBODY seemed to understand it. Like I said, they will always hate Leben because of his style but being a top 10 middleweight being a "bum" is pretty ****in impressive.

 

Akiyama does not have phenomenal hands. Or maybe he does, and doesn't know how to use them. Either way, his understanding of punching range sucks. I've watched several clips of him overpowering inferior opponents just because he was stronger. He was out punching them with might, not technique. Akiyama also has an excellent chin, which allows him to get by with his flaws.

Anyway, Akiyama is not a striker to model after unless you have a chin like Dan Henderson.