Where is Wladimir in the ATG's now?

Seriously, how does beating someone with no real success, about 3 fights at HW, elevate someone in ATG status. Haye's only real fight at HW is against Valuev which was a bit of a freak of a fight that many thought he'd lost. How on earth does beating a guy with that record elevate one in ATG HW status?

It can only do so by the performance being spectacular and it certainly wasn't that.

 

That was to be expected

 

But he KO'd 49 natural heavyweights though :think

 

Around Top 12 or so right now if he retired without any further fights. I'd have him in the Top 10 if he can unify the WBC with the rest.

 

True, but at least he did not get knocked out by one like Tyson did.


Wlad is top 15, no better.

 

I understand Wlad has serious power and an incredible knockout ratio but that doesn't tell the whole story. For example, against Eddie Chambers he may have got the KO, but after hurting him in the second and facing an opponent who offered almost no threat at all, instead of going for the finish, he cruised for 9 more boring ass rounds, and only managed to finish him in the last few seconds because Manny Steward went ape**** after the 11th.

 

right behind haye, wherever that is

 

Not only did a lot of boxing writers/pundits pick Haye to be victorious a whole slew of boxers favored Haye to win. Arreola, Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe who watched Haye in training and was wowed by Haye's speed and power. Pundits at various sites favored Haye which I won't mention by name as they are E.S.B's competition and I'm loyal to E.S.B. Don't go all revisionist now that Haye was comprehensively spanked and outclassed by Wlad and pretend that many fans AND writers and pundits didn't forsee a Haye victory.

 

I don't have him on my list. He is a Hall of Famer, not an All-Time Great.

If every weight class gets 20 ATG's, there are over 160 ATG's. For me, that's too many.

 

Tell me the betting odds?

Of course the British boxers backed the British fighter, they always do.

Wlad was a red hot favourite to win the fight. Haye has done near nothing at Heavy to prove he's really a force there. Those are the facts. Don't follow the hype, look at the facts. Haye has done real nothing of note at the weight at all in the context of victories for ATG's.

 

11-15.

The classic forum rated him 19th about a year ago, and I would think he jumped a couple of places since then.

 

:yep


Hit youself over the head with a hammer, it might knock some sense into you.

 

So do old geezers clinging to the "golden era". In 30 or so years they will be dead so Wlad will pick up in rankings dramatically. You cannot compare fond memories to active fighters - it does not work that way.

 

ATG heavyweights he is def 10 at best.. maybe 11 or 12 for now... when his career is over.. def a top 10.. ATG wise.. top 30.... which is pretty good..