Wlad's p4p ranking

how often do you see a man of his size with the skills and athletic gifts he has?
Dude has been champion since 2004 and been knocking everybody out, his accomplishments speak for themselves. Guy easily belongs in the P4P rankings.

 

Wladimir is one of the hardest man to beat! i think he is a little bit too high in the p4p ranking though! but he deserves everything hes a good champion and good guy

 

Yeah I agree with you, but I just put him there because he has that size and uses it to it's advantages and his size does bring disadvantages.
He doesn't need to be ahead of
Floyd, Pac, Marquez, Donaire or Martinez though for sure

 

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i would rank andre ward also higher if he beats froch!
froch should have been on the p4p list long ago too!
froch is the man!!

 

One must value the unlimited division somewhat differently than all other divisions. It would be justifiable if someone generally put more stock in the division (Riddick Bowe was Ring's #6 P4P in 1992; Mike Tyson was Ring's #1 P4P in 1989). Based on past precedents, Wladimir is of P4P top 10 quality.

If you are talking about pure pounds, which you are, I would tell you to look at the weight of his opposition during current title run:
243, 213, 224, 247, 228, 219, 247, 253, 224, 209, 241, 213
The weights of his opposition during his original title run:
213, 260, 234, 241, 228, 263

I think it is totally reasonable to have Wladimir in the top 10 P4P, and would ask to see your list if you didn't.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. JMM
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Hopkins
8. Bradley
9. Segura
10. Ward

 

The only thing the detractors have left to whine about are a couple inches of height. Sad. Hypothethicals like a 6'5 Haye are meaningless because they would be quite literally different people with different careers, styles, physical attributes and everything else.

Pound for pound means "regardless of weight division," not "regardless of exact weight." As far as the sport is concerned, Wlad is a male heavyweight professional boxer, not a 240-245 pounder.

 

Yeah I feel you on that. I feel people are ranking Ward too high right now though. I want to wait til after the Froch fight before I rank him higher. Once he beats him, I'll have him side by side with Marquez

 

P4p is about skill when size is factored out of the equation. A fighter whose main attribute is his size should not be highly regard on a P4p basis, unless he was also exceptionally skilled. Wlad has some skill, but I think he has much more size than skill.

 

very good point. Also nice p4p list. Mine is almost the same except I have Segura at 11, Ward number 9 and Gamboa at 10

 

Good point, and yes his size advantage certianly plays big role in his success. Noone can deny that.

The fact that he's so big, and skilled, is not what is being discussed.


The OP has a good point. Pound for pound means a level playing field, with only ability being a factor.

The K Bros are so successful because they are the first time we've seen such big guys ALSO have world class skills.


But on skills, alone, not sure if they'd be P4P or not.

 

One name.......Julius Long.

If size mattered that much, he'd be the GOAT.

 

This whole size argument is a joke. There are advantages and disadvantages to height and weight. A short to the ground crab like Mike Tyson was an awesome heavyweight champion who sparked out a truckload of much taller opponents. Wlad has been the dominant heavyweight champion for over 5 years now. Some bloke in this thread put Donaire ahead of Wlad. Who the hell knew who Donaire was even two to three years ago? Wlad has been a dominant force in the most prestigious division of boxing for at least 12 years now. He won and defended the WBO title 7 times, had his bad years and like a phoenix rose under Steward to dominate for over a half a decade and counting. He has the one of the highest knockout percentages in heavyweight history and has defended his title since slaughtering long-term heavyweight champ Chris Byrd more times than Mike Tyson. He has barely lost a round to any fighter since 2004 and breaks their wills often before the 4th round. U.S.A. based Ring Magazine, who like you have no love for Wlad Klitschko are honorable enough to rank him P4P no. 6 as objective journalists they really have no choice. Believe me, they were like you praying on bended knee for a Haye victory but it was not to be. Talent, hard work and great tactics almost always win out in the end. Wishful thinking rarely does.