Was the Holmes fight worth it to Ali

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  1. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    I know this will be a controversial question but bear with me please.

    I mean strictly from a financial point of view. I've heard he made $5 million for the fight which at the time im sure was massive. So regardless of its impact on his legacy did Ali need the Holmes fight?

    And also how much of an effect did the fight alone have on the deterioration of his health.
     
  2. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its been well documented that Ali received no where near the sums mentioned. In fact, ive read and seen people claim that he received $50,000 dollars cash, think it was jerimiah shabazz who brought him the cash from King, and only got that if he signed a waiver. I cant say if thats all he got for sure, but he did get ripped off, thats for sure
     
  3. Lunny

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    I'm no doctor and I doubt even a doctor would know for sure but I don't buy into the importance of this fight on his deteriorating health.

    His health was already going downhill before the fight. Certainly the fight may have made it worse but he was surely on the way down anyway.

    1 Fight didn't do it, too many years of fighting on and being hit by massive punchers did.
     
  4. Del Boy

    Del Boy R.I.P Darren Sutherland Full Member

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    Wow im suprised to hear it was so low. Such a terrible shame :-(
     
  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Terrible fight for Ali to have taken at that stage of his career. Even from a financial point of view. If he'd even been paid what was due,he'd long been financially well off.
    As has been said,Muhammad's Parkinson's disease was already apparent beforehand. This bout,no doubt,accelerated it.
     
  6. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Don King is an insanely greedy scumbag with no humanity, all he cares about it the pursuit of more excessive wealth, by using & abusing others.
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As someone once said,the only colour that Don King cares about is GREEN !
     
  8. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont know how that fight didnt affect his health, he took a pretty bad beating, but no it probably wasnt worth it considering Ali went on to do very well in the memorabilia circuit.
     
  9. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    "...Eventually I got rid of them, and then I got caught up with this other piece of ****, Don King, who's a reeched, just a reached slimy reptilian mother ****er, right. This is suppose to be my brother, my black brother, and he's just a bad man, a real bad man. He'd abused you, he'd kill his mother for a dollar. He's deplorable." ~ Mike Tyson
     
  10. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nicely summed up :good I actually had time for King in the early days,when he put on the Rumble In The Jungle. Later on,like us all,i realised what a scumbag he was.
     
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, and EVERYONE told Mike about it and he signed with the guy anyway.

    The other reptilian quote from Tyson on King went a little something like this: "I don't care if there's a snake in the room as long as the lights are on, because I can see the snake."

    And yet he got bit anyway. He literally signed on for what he got with full knowledge of what King would do.
     
  12. ThinBlack

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    I was thinking Muhammad made over 8 million, but Don King robbed him blind.:-(
     
  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Totally agree with this. he should n't have been allowed in the ring on that night.
     
  14. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was given no chance against Liston, and look what happened.

    No chance against Foreman, and look what happened.

    He had no chance of beating Holmes, an idiot could see that. But its Ali, and if anyone could do it then it'd be him.
     
  15. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. I think Ali probably suffered more damage in the sparring leading up to this fight than in the fight itself. Sure, he took a lot of punishment from Holmes, but I always felt the "horrible" beating that Ali took in this fight was overstated. Shannon Briggs got beaten up worse against Klitschko than Ali did against Holmes. And Briggs was about Ali's age. How many head shots did Ali take against Holmes? I know he took a lot to the body. But I think the cumulative damage that Ali took over his career, a lot of which came in his sparring sessions, did more to Ali than any one fight, including the Holmes fight.