How would Wlads speed work out against Ali?

I really think wlad vs 70's ali would be very boring, iit would be a clinchfest and wlad would win because of his size and outwork ali to a ud.
Prime ali takes away his jab and tags him often with the jab and straight right I think, ali had great movement and very fast hands, ali is one of the very few fighters that would do better vs vitali then vs wlad.

 

Ali remains the fastest heavy I have seen.

I never bought into the idea that Haye had some massive speed advantage over Wlad. He is quicker in some things, slower in others.

Ali, on the other hand, would possess a significant speed advantage.

I think that the best version of Ali wins a points decision over the best version of Wlad.

 

prime ali for me has too much speed of foot. He'd stay out of range of the jab and then dart in and out quickly firing quick combinations. He'd use lateral movement to not allow wlad to get set and win possibly by a mid-late rounds stoppage

 

Prime 60's Ali makes Haye look slow and cumbersome. Ali's mobility, long reach, blazing hand speed and combinations would give Wlad huge problems, infact he'd give any super heavy problems including Lewis and Bowe.

He'd be in and out scoring punches and has the reach to do so without having to rush his opponent. Combine this with his durability and even a lucky punch from a hard hitting super heavy is negated.

I personally think durable, fast, mobile heavies with great jabs like Ali and Holmes would give the super heavies too many problems to overcome.

 

Key differences between Ali and Haye (because size and reach was about the same). While Haye has very good handspeed, Ali had great handspeed especially with the jab. While Haye tries to put in 1-2 solid shots on his opponent a round to try and stun them, Ali would keep the jab in their face all night long. Haye had good movement and defense while standing still... Ali could do that while moving laterally and punch at the same time.
When it comes down to a fight with Ali, I think the younger Ali will always be too much physically for Wlad and perhaps even mentally, but I do think it would still be a competitive fight. Wlad is too much of a head-hunter when against smaller opponents, Ali would probably win on cuts, ihmo.

Ali's hand speed is unquestionably fast, not just for a HW but even for a MW. Period.

 

Seeing the crude and fearful Haye have success with the right hand its hard to imagine Ali wouldn't have huge success with his superior everything. Haye managed to take the sting off a lot of Wlad's jabs through basic head movement, despite the fact that they scored he went with the punches mostly and it frustrated Wlad visibly.

Ali would slip and counter effectively all night and Wlad would quickly get frustrated to the point where his offensive output would dwindle greatly. A heavyweight with the offensive capabilities of pre-war Ali combined with the defense and punch resistance would frankly kill Wlad, and i am generally a sympathiser. The fight with Haye showed both Wlad's strengths and fundamental weaknesses, a much better heavyweight could exploit them. Eventually fighting scared after being caught with a few too many shots he didn't like, Wlad would get hurt badly and wouldn't be able to recover from accurate explosive pressure.

 

I think to be fair, the HW would have to be top class and be on his best game.

 

Yeah when i say much better i am generally talking about historically elite heavyweights, though a few punchers with good chins outside of that grouping would beat Wlad.

 

Yes early Ali was more mobile than haye, BUT he had very little punch power! Haye has tremendous power and so Wlad had to be especially cautious in his approach. Against Ali he could open up without fear of what came back at him.

It is getting silly that boxing fans think that someone from 40years ago would beat one ogf the Klitschkos! If Henry Cooper was quick enough to handle Ali's speed then defintely the Klitsckos could! Mind you there are plenty of characters on this site that claim that Dempsey would beat them too!

 

A man who stopped Foreman,Liston,Frazier,Bonavena and Lyle all with greaster chins than Wlad.Ali's punching power is very underrated he was mainly up on his toes first time around but when he planted his feet especially with the chopping right hand he could hurt.
The comparison with Cooper is silly and actually Cooper although not a great fighter was a quick 13 stone who's left hook could take most out if landed correctly as it was against a young and careless Ali.
There again to you want me to campare Saunders,Puritty and Brewster with the fighters Ali beat and knocked out?

 

Lets be honest here, although i like Haye, he isn't really much of a boxer. He is a fighter with very good athleticism. He lacks basic fundamentals such as proper balance and good food movement. Ali on the other hand is superior to Haye in almost every department apart from maybe power. So if Wlad with every advantage against Haye, could not capitalise and box confidently, just imagine what would happen against Ali? It frankly speaks volumes i think.

 

Somewhere in between here is a compromise, Ali didn't have the biggest fists, what he had was placement, accuracy and speed. What Wlad wouldn't have to worry about would he Ali's one-punch power but he would have to watch out for combinations and activity. Ali may not be able to hurt Wlad through the fight, but he may be able to push him to the brink of stamina and then drop him (like he did with Foreman who had a solid chin but couldn't do with Frazier who's chin was subpar).

 

Is this the same Wlad with a questionable chin? Is this the same Wlad that fought defensively against Haye for 11 rounds despite Haye hardly landing anything and promising to make him his 50th KO? Has he suddenly had a chin transplant? Also, the last time i checked, Ali didn't tickle his opponents to a KO, he punched them v hard!