How would Wlads speed work out against Ali?

You underestimate Wlad BIG here. Especially his IQ. And I will strongly disagree with you on many points. I didn't see much difference in Ali's speed before break and after(for a short while) I think he was as fast during First fraizer fight as he ever was. But fraizer didn't allow him to dance like he wanted to. And lets face it His first reign wasn't anything special. Only viable name was Liston and he wasn't fastest puncher around and he managed to lay his glove on Ali at his best(if you believe some).
I feel that I have to repeat myself after every post that I wouldn't favor Wlad in this fight but for me it is pretty close to 50\50. It is still more winnable fight for Wlad than against Lewis.

 

You should be embarrassed posting this. London was as slow as molases if not worse. Can't possibly find any slower heavy, :rofl

 

no.

 

Noone argues Mike's upper body movement was exceptional in his prime. What has it to do with Ali though?

 

OK, Wladimir as far as we know has never been involved in two "Fixed" fights, after winning those "Fixed" fights Wladimir has never disappeared for almost two years. Also, Wladimir was never set on his ass from one punch by a 180lb 33-11-2 bum and had to "Cheat" to get by him....

 

Noone? Have you met "Bubby"?

 

So, what are you saying?

Do you think Wlad is a better all-around heavyweight than Ali? Just asking for clarification.

 

Grouche, I'm not asking you to assess London's speed, am I?

I'm asking you to look at Ali, you dolt.

 

this, of course.

 

Which fixed fights are you talking about, I have no clue about you using the word "disappear" and Ali was down a few times before he won the title the first time, and down once after that. If you're going to argue Wlads case, ball that **** up you just wrote, and start from scratch. Present a real argument with proven facts or give us a great opinion.

 

Ali could never be an ATG in my eyes because of his Suspicious fights with Liston, his cheating in the Cooper fight, His lost to Doug Jones, his gift decisions against Norton and Frazier. And a lot more.....

 

Bubby, have you met "bailey", the little ******ed boy that posts a lot here?

bailey, meet bubby. bubby, meet bailey. Discuss.

 

Ali would slaughter Wlad, and play around while he did it, and I don't say that out of some nostalgic bull****. There are plenty of ATG's Wlad would beat, and even more he'd at the very least be competitive with. Ali is not one of them.

 

Ko, the fixed fights im posting about was the two with Liston, the disappeared im posting about was the 16 or 18 months after he won the title......

 

Prime Ali dances in and out of striking distance, has a great jab and lands combo's.

He's also got a great chin and good power.

Ali by UD.


David Haye cannot be compared to Ali in any way, shape or form. That's a ****ing sin to even mention out loud.