Wlad's p4p ranking

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jul 5, 2011.


  1. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    IM just rating him as a hw not no 6-6 250 but a hw period,since their is no weight limit i rate all hw the same.. This is why Adamek is nowhere near my top 20 and Haye never was either.. Although at cruiser they be lower top 10 or top 15

    As for Wlad i have him at 9.
     
  2. Blake Rayne

    Blake Rayne Fat Cuban Aficianado Full Member

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    So your saying that there are 10+ boxers who can beat Wlad in an imaginary world? He must be inconsolable.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    There's been a small handful of idiots like yourself but the majority have seen through the small minded defence mechanisms.

    I suggest you read through the thread and then have another attempt at working out what i'm trying to say.
     
  4. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    You can't take physical assets out of the equation when you consider P4P.

    While it is easy to say that Wlad wins because he has a size advantage, you could also say that Pacman wins because he has a speed and power advantage. Floyd is physically gifted too, does he lose points because of that?

    Is Ali considered less of an ATG because he had the physical asset of blinding speed? At what point do we separate someone's physical assets from their 'skill'?
     
  5. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's only in the top 10, out of loyalty.

    You know, his entire career has been taken into account.

    If they did it by the rules (what he'd done in the last 3-4 months) he'd not be in the top 50.
     
  6. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ranking Wlad's opponents, next to even Miguel Cotto's is a gross insult
     
  7. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What I'm saying is, tell me anyone on Wlad's resume, who definitely beats Adamek or Haye

    As in 100% definite. There's nobody

    I'd give them both a good chance with absolutely anyone, either brother has fought, other than Lennox Lewis
     
  8. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Comparing Wlad's athletic abilities, to a peak Lewis, is a grave insult.

    What's more, he doesn't even use any of it.

    He wins fights by landing 90-100 jabs, and 20 power shots
     
  9. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Truth is, since Wlad has been linked to Haye, he's had a lot of interest from the same fans who tend to love Pacquiao.

    Just as Pacquiao isn't Mayweather, Wlad isn't Haye...........
     
  10. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As I said, this is the general issue.

    Wlad's popularity has only come from being linked to Haye.

    Some fans hate on the "nasty" guys, and just tag along to their whiter than white rivals
     
  11. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ranking Wlad ahead of Hopkins, Bradley and Ward is just nonsense.

    He's only there, as boxing writers think his entire career has been good. Loyalty to him. Not on actual opponents

    Bradley's beaten numerous world class, truly dangerous opponents. Bouts he was 50/50 in. As has B-Hop and Ward.

    Wlad's just gone through the motions with a series of chumps
     
  12. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is just plain stupidity

    Wlad and Vitali are nowhere near as skilled as guys like Bowe or Lewis.

    The truth is, they're just in an era where almost everyone they face is not only 6'3 and 220, but they're also plain average fighters.
     
  13. Blake Rayne

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    This is true.
     
  14. Blake Rayne

    Blake Rayne Fat Cuban Aficianado Full Member

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    You've made about 150 posts in the last week and almost all are about how bad a fighter Wlad is. David?
     
  15. Ceej1979

    Ceej1979 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know, do you honestly think Russia has all the worlds great heavyweight fighters, suddenly.........?

    Do you think, suddenly, white guys have defied all evolution, and become better than Black guys at being heavyweights?

    After like 100 years of African American dominance?

    Or do you think the rest of the planet gave up on it, and they just moved into the empty void?

    Truth is, 20 years ago, Lebron James would have probably, seriously considered boxing as a career.

    And he'd a 6'6 260 pound guy, in a ring, beating the crap out of these Russian equivillants.

    Big Europeans are interested in boxing.

    Big Americans aren't