Eubank vs Collins in 1991?

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  1. Lee Mc

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    Add being a **** to talking bollocks...
     
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    Fine, I'm a ****. Doesn't make what I said any less true. Hell, the only way he looked so good in the first fight against a superior fighter in Watson was because Watson fought Eubank's fight - standing mid-range or in the pocket, not letting himself get countered when he led with something that wasn't a jab.

    When Watson jabbed, Eubank had no answer. Sure, Eubank slipped most jabs, but a counter was nowhere to be seen because it would involve throwing an educated punch at long range - something Eubank could simply not do.
     
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    Just a small point...you've contradicted yourself....a superior fighter wouldn't be drawn into fighting his opponents fight :thumbsup
     
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    Collins of the era was schooled by McCallum, gave Johnson a fright, but still lost, and lost to an ancient Kalambay.

    None of those results are a disgrace, and indeed Collins came back stronger to the point he could edge a 1994/5 Eubank. But in 1990/1 Eubank was simply on a higher level to Collins. A level Collins tried to get to, but was found wanting at the time.
     
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    Really? Duran/Leonard I.

    Endgame.
     
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    An ancient Kalambay > Eubank, Benn, Watson and Collins.
     
  7. TBooze

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    Maybe in Italy with Twelve, ten second to three minute rounds depending on the situation, and of course the three Continental judges, who could tell you their scorecard, before the first bell...
     
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    That's using hindsight...

    At the time Duran was the superior fighter...
     
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    I don't believe that Leonard is the superior fighter
     
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    I cannot take you at all seriously any more.
     
  11. Lee Mc

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    I do but he wasn't at that time...

    As that saying went, Duran vs Leonard 1 was when the boy became a man and the man became a legend...
     
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    Duran was already a legend for his achievements are lightweight in my eyes, boxing writers voted him and Muhammad ali as the two best fighters of the decade shortly before his first fight with Leonard. Shows he was already getting the recognition he deserved.
     
  13. TBooze

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    I can sense you have an emotional attachment to Collins, and kudos fighters need cheerleaders, but sometimes as painful as it is, logic should rule emotion.

    All the evidence is in front of you. A peak Collins, brilliantly using every edge he could find, sneaked a decision over a tired Eubank, arguably as much as four years past his pomp.
     
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    "A tired Eubank", directly following one of the best performances of his career against Wharton? If anything, Collins was the one not at his best, comparing the two performances against Eubank. Try again.

    And I don't have any sort of emotional attachment towards any fighters, apart from perhaps Steve Robinson and Wayne McCullough. It's clear, from your implication earlier that Eubank is in the same league as McCullum, that you are the one with the emotional attachment.
     
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    I think the Close thing threw Eubank off, he was training to fight Close on Feb.11 '95 but Close failed a brain scan, then the Collins thing was put together. He never had a break from the Wharton fight, which was a very tough fight anyway. He was probably sparring right through. He certainly looked lacklustre against Steve that night, but I thought he won.