Dominic Cruz P4P Entry ??? .............

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  1. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    For me this kid has got everything ,

    Excellent Stand up - Un predictable movement , superb timing , good power , solid muay thai technique

    Wrestling - For me he is borderline elite level wrestling for MMA :deal

    Solid JJ

    Heart , Guts and Cardio - All on another level compared to his peers

    Its a no brainer for me , Dominic Cruz is a star of MMA ..............
     
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  2. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    My Current P4P top 10
    1. Silva
    2. St Pierre
    3. Jones
    4. Aldo
    5. Shogun
    6. Cruz
    7. Velasquez
    8. Machida
    9. dos Santos
    10. Edgar
     
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  3. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    Cruz is 4th for me, his competition has been absolutely stellar. His last 5 fights against Benavidez, Bowles, Benavidez, Jorgensen and Faber is probably the best current run in MMA.
     
    Ubersteve, Jul 6, 2011
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  4. horst

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    I'd definitely have him in there. Cruz-Faber was one of the all-round highest quality MMA fights I've seen in a long time, both guys showed some stellar skillsets. And like Ubersteve said, his last 5 have been a really excellent run.

    I think mine would be something like this:

    1.Anderson Silva
    2.GSP
    3.Jose Aldo
    4.Dominick Cruz
    5.Jon Jones (sorry dudes, but Bones's resume doesn't have the quality or depth to merit a higher ranking at this point in time)
    6.Frankie Edgar (can't stand his fighting style, but you can't argue with his form)
    7.Cain Velasquez
    8.Junior dos Santos
    9.Mauricio Shogun Rua
    10.Lyoto Machida

    Honourable Mentions: Nick Diaz, Gilbert Melendez, Gray Maynard, Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Jake Shields
     
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  5. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i like cruz a lot, but i would like to see him start finishing people....dancing around to UDs is the new lay and pray, imo...thanx GSP
     
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  6. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    :happy+1
     
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  7. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Sherdog dont rank Cruz P4P , although there website does seem to take a couple of weeks to achknowledge movement in the P4P rankings , there current top 10 :
    1. St Pierre
    2. Silva
    3. Aldo
    4. Edgar
    5. Fitch
    6. Jones
    7. Sheilds
    8. Melendez
    9. Shogun
    10. Evans
     
    thewinfella, Jul 7, 2011
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  8. Beekeeper

    Beekeeper Bedtime Story, Aoki Style Full Member

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    My P4P List:

    #1 Emeritus: Fedor

    1. Spider
    2. Jon Jones
    3. GSP
    4. Aoki
    5. Gil
    6. Aldo
    7. Shogun
    8. JDS
    9. Maynard
    10. Mousasi



    So....not yet
     
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  9. (PimpThaSystem)

    (PimpThaSystem) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey Popkins whats your beef with Edgar's fighting style?
     
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  10. horst

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    My beef is that Frankie Edgar designs fight plans to win unanimous decisions IMO, he does not design fight plans to win fights by stoppage or submission, which is what I believe MMA is all about.

    His striking is quick, neat, tidy, safe, pitty-pat points-scoring punches, his takedowns are thrown in liberally to catch the judges' eye because he rarely uses them as a way of doing some serious damage on the ground, the way they are supposed to be used.

    In short, to me Edgar is everything that's wrong with current MMA. I can say this without being labelled a 'hater' because it's quite clear from my p4p ranking of him that I am well aware of how effective he is in the Octagon. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
     
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  11. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    heh....i described him as "throw a flicker jab at air then backpedal for 2 1/2 minutes" to my friend the other day
     
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  12. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with this i cant stand the way Edgar fights i dont get exited for his fights unless it was vs BJ penn
     
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  13. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Its very unfair to label Edgar a dislikeable fighter simply because he doesnt finish fights !!! , Edgar produces displays of outstanding technique coupled with cardio that never seems to die , he is the prototype of the modern day " well rounded " mixed martial artist , you also have to remember with Edgar he is a small LW and doesnt pack as much as say a BJ Penn , or Melvin Guillard who are both borderline WW's , and yet still holds the title including 2 wins over the great Penn :deal

    Im sorry guys but hats are off to Edgar , IMHO he will eventually go down as one of the greats
     
    thewinfella, Jul 8, 2011
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  14. horst

    horst Guest

    I repeatedly underlined how aware I was of Edgar's effectiveness in the Octagon, I have never said otherwise, he is a high-level fighter who is exceptionally well-rounded and difficult to beat...

    ...but I maintain that I dislike his style, mentality, principles and performances, for the reasons stated in my last post.



    This comment:

    is the real crux of the issue.

    IMO, Edgar is leading the dilution of martial arts in the wrong direction. Scurlaruntings is another person who I know shares this view.
     
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  15. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Dude , if you beleive what you say to be logical and truthfull dont hide behind other posters !!!

    Ive followed Scurl's posts and i have no time for most of what he posts

    Just in what martial art are you expected to finish an opponent every single time ???

    Remember MMA is more refined now , the fighters are more rounded , and tend to be more evenly matched in todays MMA , hence closely contested fights , and decisions

    Tell me , can Faber or Cruz be critisised for last weeks fight ???
     
    thewinfella, Jul 8, 2011
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