Dominic Cruz P4P Entry ??? .............

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by thewinfella, Jul 6, 2011.


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  1. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    if i wanted to watch an outstanding display of cardio, i would watch marathons


    i have to agree with popkins that edgar is everything that is wrong with mma currently


    he doesn't hit to hurt, and he doesn't even attempt subs...now lets look at another modern day fighter....bones jones....flying knees, elbows to the liver....he tries to finish fights, and does

    edgar is just taking advantage of bad judging standards in the UFC

    now these were rules:

    the effort made to finish the fight via KO or submission
    damage given to the opponent
    standing combinations and ground control
    takedowns and takedown defense
    aggressiveness
    weight (in the case that the weight difference is 10 kg/22 lb or more)

    as you can see, he doesn't try to end fights, doesn't give out damage, isn't aggresive....striking is par for the course...etc.
     
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  2. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i already said that exact thing...yes, they can, in this very thread....it was a good fight, and i like cruz a lot, but i actually had faber winning, and i really think cruz needs to start finishing some guys, or at least making the effort too
     
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  3. horst

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    I can condense your posts and my posts into this line:


    Frankie Edgar designs fight plans to win decisions. His pitty-pat punches and his quick takedowns are only designed to impress the judges.



    That is the whole issue here.

    And if you're OK with that then you're OK with Frankie Edgar.

    I'm not OK with it, so I'm not.
     
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  4. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Edgar is much much more than a cardio machine !!!

    In my last post i said that MMA is a variant of martial arts , and i asked Popkins who scated around the question , in what martial art are you expected to finish every single opponent ???

    Can you answer that ...............

    Edgar controls fights with distance , stand up , wrestling and a combination of all of the above , he has every single tool required to succeed in MMA , and still you critisise him because he's not pumped full of gear and kicks and stamps on a downed opponent , MMA has changed , it is finally the technical sport some of us always wanted , its no longer a brawl with abit of skill , its now a fully compliant technical structured sport .

    A little bit like boxing , in that you have a variation of styles and levels , which in my mind should of always been the target , im assuming your not a fan of Floyd Mayweather ??!!
     
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  5. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Just at what points did Faber show , Aggression , Octagon Control , Effective Strking and Grappling on a level that was better than Cruz ??? , Cruz won that fight in every department , aside from being dropped twice for me he just better'd everything Faber done and a tad more

    My opinion
     
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  6. horst

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    :-( I don't know why you're behaving as if you've proven anyone wrong - you haven't.

    Frankie Edgar doesn't even try to finish opponents, that's the point. It's not that he tries and fails, he doesn't try. It's patently obvious that his mind is working throughout the fight on how to accumulate points.

    His little pitty-pat punches mean he can land then run, his refusal to properly commit to power shots means he wracks up punch stats, while minimizing the possibility of hurting someone or being hurt himself.

    His quick little takedowns are motivated by point-accumulation as well, because he hardly ever uses takedowns the way they are meant to be used, as a lead-in to unleashing GnP or trying to execute submissions. He is happy just to get a takedown, as a way of gaining an edge in the round in the judges' minds.


    As I've already said numerous times, I am NOT questioning Edgar's abilities. He is unquestionably a tremendous fighter of an exceptionally well-rounded skillset, hence why I have him #6 p4p.

    However, as a matter of personal preference, I object to his approach, do not enjoy watching him fight, and invariably support his opponent.

    If the future of MMA is fighters in the mould of Frankie Edgar, the future of MMA is very bleak indeed.
     
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  7. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    firstly, octagon control is idiotic....its a ****ing circle...they stole the concept from boxing...and a boxing ring has corners

    second....faber did more damage via striking...he actually knocked cruz on his ass several times

    cruz was better with his TDD and take-downs

    aggression....should be effective aggression, and faber was countering, and connecting....cruz was throwing high kicks into faber's forearm...not effective


    it was close, i am not calling a robbery or anything...but using the dumb ass ufc point system, i had faber winning by a point
     
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  8. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    In what martial art are you critisised for not finishing every single opponent ?? ............ , or are you expected to finish an opponent every time out ??
     
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  9. horst

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    Why would you re-post such a lame question/point? :huh

    Here is my response to you anyway:

     
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  10. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    :rofl


    :patsch


    popkins, help him on this plz
     
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  11. horst

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    We can't help him out mate.

    It's a matter of personal taste.

    If he likes watching someone who has trained and planned to win a decision, there's nothing we can do to change that.

    But we don't have to join him.

    I still believe the whole point of MMA is to try and either stop or submit your opponent, and if you end up going to a decision it's because your attempts failed.

    This is why I got into MMA, and this is the principle I will always hold as a fan of MMA. :deal


    Examples:

    Mirko Crocop did not go out to box clever and win a decision. He went out to decapitate people by using his high-level kickboxing skills. And Crocop was very technical.

    Fedor did not go out to outpoint his opponent and win a decision. He went out with the mentality that he would finish his opponent no matter where the fight went, if it was fought on the feet or on the ground. And Fedor had a superb skillset.

    This is MMA. True MMA. :thumbsup
     
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  12. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i agree with you all the way here....i just thought it was funny that he assumed that me, of all people, wasn't a money mayweather fan
     
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  13. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Some of your quotes just show a clear apparent lack of understanding of mixed martial arts

    Quick little pitty patty punches , quick little takedowns ???!!!! what in Gods name are you talking about mate ???

    A take down is a take down , question what is Edgar's background ??? , in Frankie's base discipline you control your opponents to gain superior positions to again gain a greater level of control ultimately to win a fight , that is Edgar by default , he cant change that , and he's very good at it !!!! , a take down requires an explosion of strength , agility and timing , the fact Edgar does this then immediatley sets for another is just another underlining of how superior a fighter he is to his peers .

    To be hit and not be hit , the very essence of winning a fight , not little pitty patty punches , its about showing a level of technical ability superior to that of your opponent without taking punishment .

    You still have fighters who look for a finish , either by strikes or submission , and always will , its just style based , what Edgar is , is a well rounded fighter who has refined his style to winning fights , there were no Franky Edgars back in the day , and that is not a problem its an evolution of a technical sport

    Big difference :deal
     
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  14. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Seriously .........................

    What is lame is the fact you cannot answer the question instead you say dumb ass things like Fedor and Cro Cop never looked to win a decision , without taking into consideration there base disciplines , Sambo and Kick Boxing , striking based sports , hence finishing an inferior opponent .

    Go and join your local MMA gym dick head !!!!!!!
     
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  15. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    guys trying to finish fights:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mz99826U4Y[/ame]

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/850214/fedor_emelianenko_highlights/

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-aXmJIFiFo[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V6OWb3w4dk[/ame]

    (one for bee)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIuYaoMbhX4&feature=related[/ame]



    a guy trying to score points:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZBkVQXU0DQ[/ame]




    by the way, it isn't boxing...don't compare it to boxing...and a s far as your mayweather reference....you do know he moved up in weight and was finishing fights before hitting WW, don't you?
     
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