Dominic Cruz P4P Entry ??? .............

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  1. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Counter punching , but being out worked by effective aggression , thats what Faber was doing / happening to him

    What exactly is idiotic about controlling the space in a fight , do you spar ??? if you did maybe you'd appreciate tha controlling the space effectively is 50% of your game plan , if you cannot effectively control the space that you have you cannot control a fight , if you have no control you reply on exposions of instinct just like Faber was , and he was uncomfortable the whole time

    Hence

    Cruz showing greater Ocatagon control

    Cruz pretty much dominated the grappling exchanges , specifically in round 5

    So i dont in God's name know how you had Faber winning the fight

    It was a closely contested fight , but Cruz done a bit more consistantly , back to the original point , it was a world class display of techinical ability on the feet and on the ground , cardio , and grappling , in essence , it was what is expected of 2 world class mixed martial artists , and for you , you critisised them for being boring !!!

    You should watch more of Kimbo's bum fights , maybe they'll give you a hard on
     
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  2. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    and one from the guy to my left before the days or pride and ufc


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGQIh-6Kdo[/ame]
     
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  3. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Really

    He did a great job of finishing Castillo didnt he :good

    Dont you mean when his level of competition moved up a notch

    Again .................. styles make fighters , Edgar will never be a Wanderlei will he :huh

    So ****in dumb
     
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  4. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    really :huh, i said it was a good fight
     
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  5. horst

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    Not at all. I just have very different principles to you.

    I'm talking about exactly what I am talking about. Read what I'm saying.

    Edgar does not commit to punches for maximum damage. He throws pitty-pat punches designed to wrack up points on the cards.

    Edgar does not use takedowns for the purpose they should be used for. He uses takedowns to tip rounds his way on the judges' cards.

    IMO, a takedown is nothing in and of itself.

    A takedown should only be attempted as a means of unleashing GnP or trying to work your way to a submission.

    Too many times Edgar shows no interest in either of these things.

    This is irrelevant, because many of the best GnPers in MMA history have been from wrestling backgrounds. Your point is invalid.

    This isn't wrestling. It's MMA. Using takedowns to gain control and win a decision is dog****. In MMA, the ONLY purpose of going to the ground should be to gain a stoppage via GnP or to work towards a submission.

    Yet again, I will say that nowhere have I questioned Edgar's abilities. He is undoubtedly superb at takedowns.

    But for me a takedown which leads nowhere is like a blocked punch, or a landed jab that isn't followed up by a combination. It is preferable to inactivity of course (which is why he does it), but still largely meaningless/fruitless.

    I disagree.

    This is my earlier point about you and I having very different principles when it comes to combat sport.

    I believe the very essence of winning a fight is expending every effort to stop your opponent as early and as emphatically as possible. Points are arbitrary, they are a contrivance, the true essence of fighting is execution of a skillset that your opponent cannot compete with. JMO.

    No it isn't. Otherwise we could have two guys hitting punchbags and deciding on the winner by who has the better textbook technique.

    Many times a superior technical fighter has been beaten by a guy whose intangible qualities make the difference in the ring/cage/Octagon.

    And Edgar ain't one of them. That's my point.

    You may still like and admire him. But I don't.

    To winning decisions, you mean.

    If you say 'winning fights', it implies he trains to win fights by any means necessary.

    He doesn't. He trains to win on points. You should say "to winning decisions". More accurate.

    I disagree. I think it is a problem. Or rather, it would be if there were not younger fighters with the mentality of Jon Jones who still believe MMA is first and foremost about finishing fights wherever possible. :good
     
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  6. horst

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    **** you, cross-eyed *****. If you don't think many wrestlers in MMA have actively tried to finish fights you should check into rehab to dry the **** out. :patsch
     
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  7. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    ?


    beat castillo twice...offered immediate rematch upon controversial UD to UD him again....ko/tko/rtd hernandez, corrales, gatti, augustus, manfredy, hatton



    and yeah, no **** edgar won't ever be a wandy....he pitter pats around looking for points
     
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  8. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    You reffered to Cruz's display as the new Lay and Pray :deal

    I mean how can displaying every aspect of a sport emphatically against a world class opponent be classed as lay and pray :lol:
     
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  9. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    And decisioned De La Hoya (SD) , Castillo twice (who was robbed) , Judah , Baldmoir , Marquez (a blown up SFW) , Mosley , without ever really looking like finishing them

    Remind me again of your original point ?? :huh

    Where are you going with this mate , you either beleive in what your saying or you dont , Mayweather shows technique before he shows the ability to force a finish , JUST LIKE FRANKIE EDGAR !!! , my original point
     
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  10. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Go and do some of the sport you preach to know so much about before telling fighters that they are going against the original point of MMA , especially when referring to men who hold world titles .

    :lol:

    Gotta love this ****
     
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  11. horst

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    I've been doing Muay Thai for years. I, like everyone else, learns it to win fights as emphatically as possible by using our skillsets. No-one I know learns it in order to show good cardio and win decisions. :rofl

    This is the very same principle I would take into MMA.
     
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  12. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    You have explained in detail how you see the sport of MMA , that i thank you for , but i agree we see the sport completely different

    For me the old days , less skilled fighters with less rounded skill sets , hence more finishes

    The new breed , well rounded athletes who present fewer opportunities for there opponent to capitalise and force a finish

    Thats just how i see it
     
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  13. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    it sure is headed that way


    lay and pray is exactly that....laying on someone not doing anything but keeping them pinned


    dancing around throwing flashy kicks that do no damage then backing out of harms way is quite a fair comparison

    i like cruz, and i think his unorthodox style is good for the sport, but i do think he needs to turn it up a bit

    MMA was about finishing fights via sub or KO going back to the vale tudo days, and the early UFCs...it changed for marketing reasons (i specifically remember PPVs being cut-off because they ran out of time, and you would miss the ending of the showcase fight), and UFC adopted some rather shitty judging standards along the way
     
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  14. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    So tell me .............

    How would you finish a fight from your back utilising your Muay Thai ???
     
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  15. horst

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    PS: FYI, "you've never done it" is the familiar calling-card of the internet forum moron. I'd have thought better of you. "You've never boxed" is the first comment that gets thrown in the General Forum every time someone disagrees with someone else. It's unbearably lame, considering all anyone knows about each other is a username and an avatar.

    Poor. :dead
     
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