Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Vs Takuya Kogawa 1/7/2011- Anyone else tired of these fights?

:rofl:rofl Can Imagine it. Subtitles the lot..


I remember Canchilla having no belief that he could beat Segura the corner had to build his belief up and when it went to judges he thought he wouldn't get decision.

 

I imagine he'll still be very strong at the weight. Gonna' be interesting :good

 

Maybe his heart isn't in it or he's maybe very unconfident in his abilities (or his chin :good)

As I say, hopefully he can bounce back, just checked; he's just fought a joker in April (first fight since aforementioned loss at the end of '09) but is nearing 30. I saw some real flashes of class in him, I'd be happy to see him on the road be given a gift shot at Wonjongkams 'title' ;-) :deal

 

I wouldn't say he looked ****, just not the kind of quality you'd expect to beat a P4P'er (Although Segura is arguably not deserved of a P4P spot). Canchila was terribly innacurate in the Casimero fight, he looked like he couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo, and Casimero isn't exactly Sweet Pea in the defense department. He was also getting nailed almost at will, he had no answers to the speed of Casi, plus Canchila's in/out movement was poor in comparison to Casi, who was darting in, whacking Canchila, then zipping back out again in a flicker. The biggest issue was his durability. Casimero obviously has some power, but I don't think he's a massive puncher by any means, yet everytime he hit Canchila with a hard, flush shot, you knew Canchila felt it.

It's wierd, he looked good against Segura, and even getting nailed in their first fight, durability didn't look to be an issue. Maybe it was Casimero's speed which did him in, kind of like Martinez vs Dzinziruk? Anyway that was a quality fight, all action, plenty of knockdowns. Didn't even know of it's existence until you posted that clip up.

 

Thing is, maybe it's the first Canchila fight that helped mould Segura into the fighter he is today. At the time I remembered some fanfare, but didn't think he'd end up as he is now (especially not after the first fight) an amazing transformation, just a few tweaks and more knowledge on how to distribute his stamina and he;s now a high-octane, high-output force of nature amongst the little guys.

I guess, now, despite not having seen the whole fight, I now have to assume that Canchila looked so good because he was facing a relatively green Segura who punched himself out :good

 

He fought yon wee Thai fella and it turned out to be a ******* though, so you never know how good these little Eastern fella's are.
I think Pongs entitled to these fights cause unless he fights Naito again theres no-one for him at the weight. He needs to fiht Naito though.

 

IMO your right Flea. I watched the Canchilla I fight and i think it's what he needed because i sat there thinking ''this lad ain't up to much'' walking onto shots and not really denting Canchilla greatly IIRC. Some fighters need that type of conclusive yet learning loss. It wasn't a beating but he knew he lost and it's done him world of good.

Him vs Roman! that's the fight i want!

 

Looking at what both have done in the aftermath of their first encounter, I am inclined to agree with what you are saying. It really doesn't make much sense any other way. :good

 

Rodel Mayol made short work of Sosa. Fast work too. And looked ****ing good doing it. Mayol looks good whenever I see him.

Anway, it's a step up for the Pong man, but he should win without too many problems.

 

I would love to see a Sosa-Pong fight :yep

Mayol did destroy Sosa and is a very decent fighter, but there's always a chance the spectacles going to be ruined with a head clash with him unfortunately :-( I think counter punching is effective in exposing weaknesses in his defence and a good combination puncher, as Mayol is, could really give him some trouble.

Regarding a Wonjongkam-Segura, it's really 50/50 in my opinion and would probably be determined by how Pong started. Segura has looked a thousand times better in his fights since the first Canchila fight where he looked afraid to come forward to the taller man and whenever he did he was caught with either strong jabs or straight rights. The tempo in that fight was set early and if Pong could do the same here, I could see him winning wide on pts. Segura won the second Canchila fight by getting to his man early and just not giving him a minute to breath so that would be key again for him.

Against Pongsaklek though I think he could be in trouble if he gets too reckless early and gets caught clean on the chin with 1 of his straight lefts which he often seems wide open too and which is by far Wonjongkams best punch. A more measured approach like the 2nd Calderon fight would be necessary imo.

Segura would likely find some success if he went to Pongsaklek's body. His body attacks are effective and would lead nicely on to the hooks winging in to the head later. The best part about Wonjongkam's defence is slipping the wilder punches which are obviously Segura's main weapons but I have reservations over Pong's stamina so I could see Segura's hooks being more effective later on.

If Segura got hit early and was reluctant to come forward then the fight would be in Pongsakleks favour at range where he can push him back with the jab + straight left to the body and look for the straight left to the head as well. But if this didn't happen, I'd probably favour Segura to wear him down actually and stop him late on. It depends on how well Segura carries the extra weight but because I havent seen Wonjongkam dominate against another good fighter in a while (although KAmeda was a good win, I thought it was pretty tight) and Segura's great recent form I'd fancy him in a classic.

First off, just seeing Pong in with some real top quality tests would suffice. Sosa next please :good

 

I hope you mean as of late. Naito was a topnotch Fly. Wonjongkam has gone fairly soft as of late I agree, but he's hardly unproven. I think the question is 'what does he have left?'

Mayol, by the way, is one ugly, awkward, dirty monster. He gave Calderon, ahem, issues, twice. Him Vs Segura at light fly probably shouldve happened IMO.

Is Segura fighting at fly anytime soon then? Sosa is a tough test for a Wonjongkam who definitely appears on the slide (Koki was a decent win and a good performance, but IIRC correctly I had Naito winning their fight by a shade) and I'm very much looking forward to it.

Now if it's in Thailand.....:think

 

Wonjongkam has one of the most bizarre records in the sport.

Love the way the Japs introduced him. Ponsaklek....WonjonKAMEEEEEEEEE