Dominic Cruz P4P Entry ??? .............

Also, I think your post is pretty heavily weighted on one side of this argument.

- Edgar's first 3 fights were against cans.

- Gray Maynard was submitted by Nate Diaz, whether it is on his official record or not. Nate Diaz takes huge risks on his back to set up submission attempts.

- Spencer Fisher was finished by Joe Stevenson and Hermes Franca, neither of whom are Shogun Rua, so it evidently can be done.

No-one can tell me Edgar tries to finish every fight the way other great champions do, because I've seen the guy's fights.

 

This really is like speaking to a complete mongtard. patsch:-(



I say I'd spend serious time and effort learning to finish fights from the floor...

You say that comment means I don't understand BJJ...

Then I say again I'd spend serious time and effort learning to finish fights from the floor...

And you say "of course you ****ing can idiot"....

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wtf stupid ass **** are you talking about?

 

you're


go back to grade one and learn to spell properly moron

 

The guy has twisted himself in knots talking ****, and now looks like a complete confused fool, yet rather than admit it he just keeps spewing more ****. A lamentable performance.

 

Cruz isn't much more successful in finishing fights than Edgar tbf.

 

No-one has said he is. But I believe Cruz commits to his strikes much more than Edgar does. A guy doesn't have to hit like Shane Carwin to try and build to a stoppage. Cruz puts himself in harm's way to land combinations with maximum impact. Edgar throws pitty-pat point-scoring punches while on the move, in order to impress the judges while minimizing the chances of getting hit back. That's the difference between them. And as I said, now that Cruz's fights will all be five-rounders, I believe he'll start getting stoppages on accumulation in his title defences. Although he doesn't have great power, his combos will wear guys down IMO.

 

The point I'm making is that he is an undersized lightweight facing opponents that have a history of being hard to finish. Edgar is also not a power puncher, meaning he would have a better chance of winning by submission than knock out. Unfortunately for him, his opponents are probably harder to submit than they are to knock out.

Edgar throws shorter, faster punches than most anyone he is going to face. This allows him to out strike his opponents, but as I stated earlier, doesn't give him the power to knock them out. Edgar's wrestling background allows him to control many of his opponents, but he probably on an even playing field, at best, in regards to submissions. Intent or not, unless he becomes a harder hitter or gets much better in his submission game; you're not going to see him finish a lot of fights inside the distance.

 

The Cruz thing was just in relation to you saying that you wouldn't like a guy who finished as infrequently as Edgar does even if they were trying to.

Idk, personally they are both among my favorite fighters Edgars last fight was possibly my favorite fight ever.

 

Cruz has finished more fights than Edgar has, and I firmly believe that Edgar is going to keep wracking up decisions in future (sadly, I think he will beat Gray and continue his reign of terror), and I firmly believe that Cruz is going to start finishing fights now he has a 5-round duration for all of his fights.

The future will tell.

 

Cruz has finished one of four five rounders so far.

 

I would disagree that Hermes Franca and Spencer Fisher were especially hard to finish, but we've already covered that.

If he committed to his punches more, he may be more destructive. As things stand, flicking out punches on the move achieves nothing other than point accumulation.

Not that he really goes for submissions much anyway. The majority of the time Edgar goes to the ground, he seems content to control and run the clock down.

A points-scoring risk-minimizing tactic.

Punch stat-wise, yes.

I'm agreeing with you. The way he approaches stand-up fighting and the way he throws punches and his intentions and gameplans are not conducive to stoppages.

He is a superb wrestler, and he doesn't make concerted efforts to submit his opponents very often. I agree on this as well.

That's why I'm not a fan of his. Maybe if he moved down to 145 and changed his mentality, I would. But the points-scoring lightweight version is not my cup of tea at all.