Which of the current big 5 UFC champions is furthest ahead of the chasing pack?

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  1. horst

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    Who do you think, in terms of ability, is furthest ahead of the realistic challengers in his division?

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  2. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Very good thread !!!!!

    In terms of opposition fought and beat , comprehensively , id have to pick St Pierre .

    That said , i do see Jon Jones as the single most dominating fighter in the whole of MMA P4P , and looking at the way he demolished Shogun he would be in there for me .

    Then there is Silva who has had ups and downs as a champion , ups (Franklin 1 & 2 , Henderson , Belfort , Griffin , Irvin , Leben , Lutter) downs (Lates , Maia , Sonnen , Cote) so while he's looked to be completely on another level to some top tier fighters , he's had a bit of trouble looking anything but ordinary against others , IMHO i think were looking at Silva coming to the end of a legendary career .

    In summary , every one of the champions are the champion for a reason , and it cant be argued that any one of them do not deserve there title (Edgar Maynard should be put to bed soon) .

    In order :

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    Edgar

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  3. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anderson Silva is head and shoulders above the rest in his division
     
  4. horst

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    He had an extremely difficult fight with Sonnen, that can't be forgotten. Though I'd agree that Anderson is a fair answer, and definitely nearer the top of the 5 than the bottom.
     
  5. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I would have to go with GSP. The welterweight division is stacked, and GSP has gone through almost everyone of significance. GSP rarely gives up a round against some of the best fighters in the sport.
     
  6. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well heavyweight is close

    Light heavy is historically stacked and nobody has been an estblished dominant champ there lateley most guys going one an done

    At Middle Silva i think is clearly ahead though he is getting older

    At Welter St Pierre has beaten several of the guys in the list of contenders already and hasnt shown a hiccup in his game or a sign of slowing down

    Light well Edgar isnt much ahead of Maynard if he wins and wins big maybe, but if its another good fight they should have a score settling 4th unless Maynard wins
     
  7. horst

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    In GSP's entire career, the only top-class striker who was a natural welterweight that he's beaten has been Thiago Alves. If GSP fights and beats Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit with the same ease that he's beaten the likes of Hughes, Koscheck, Fitch and Penn, I'll be more or less out of reasons to not consider him the best fighter ever.

    Until then, I think I'm going to go for Anderson Silva here. IMO, stopping an opponent (either by KO or submission) is greater evidence of superiority than decisioning them. Silva has finished his last two opponents (1 stunning early KO, 1 brilliantly executed late submission), and his UFC record is 13-0 (11 stoppages, 2 decisions).

    GSP's last 4 fights have went to a decision, and his UFC record is 17-2 (8 stoppages for him, 9 decisions, 2 stoppages against him).

    Although Silva may look more vulnerable at times, I think that's because he takes more risks in order to finish fights. And whereas he may look vulnerable, his record is still 100%.

    I mean, there is a perfectly valid counter-argument of course, GSP loses less rounds and has defeated tougher opposition. But I think I'm going to edge with Anderson here. Not by much though. :good
     
  8. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Silva over GSP due to finishes. also Silva is so much better that he clowns with his opponents and still destroys them. The sonnen fight he was injured and Sonnen was on PEDS so means very little (still submitted him of course). GSP hasnt walked through any of his recent opponents the way silva has. He has to be focussed and technical to beat his opponents, silva doesnt.

    Silva over Jones because Jones simply hasnt proven himself yet but i see a good chance of him being a future dominant champ.
     
  9. Matt Ldn

    Matt Ldn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also people give fighters like stann okami etc basicalyl no chance against Silva. But people think that diaz, condit etc. have a chance (however small depending on your oppinion).
     
  10. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you cant forget that he wasnt fighting injury free and chael was on juice.
    He has finished most of his fights
     
  11. horst

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    See my post above. I decided on Silva, and voted for Silva.
     
  12. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, i saw it after i made my post :oops:
     
  13. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Silva is undefeated since coming in the ufc. Very close between silva and gsp but i gotta give it to silva.
     
  14. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I rank Anderson as my #1 p4p, and the number of finishes over GSP is the main reason. Was it you, around the time I began to notice you as a regular in the mma section, that I had a discussion with regarding this issue? I believe you questioned my decision to rank Anderson above GSP. Not that is matters all that much. I change my mind quite often. I was just curious if you remember whether or not it was you I had that discussion with.

    I thought your poll question was regarding a different issue. I was stating that I believe GSP out performs tougher competition by a wide margin, giving him a larger gap between contender and champion than anyone else on the list. Anderson is my #2 guy in that regard.
     
  15. wakzer

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    Edgar could lose hsi title cause of the challengers (Guida, Guillard and Maynard) and cause of Melendez. Anderson Silvas only loss in Pride was to a submission maybe Jacare could win? And Velasquez will probably lose his title to Dos Santos or the winner of the HW-grand prix. I dont think St Pierre loses against Diaz or anyone at 170. Same for Aldo and Cruz