Tysons Opposition Vs Klitsckos Opposition

Yes Holy was a pressure fighter in 96 hes always been, but Holy didnt fight Bean in 96, he fought him 98 with two years more of deterioration and he still shut him out. Yes the fight was boring but it was one sided just like Holy Haye would have been in 96.

 

-He didn't pressure Tyson or Rahman years later. He waited and reacted. Definitions may vary but I think a pressure fighter....you know has to at the very least make the first move.

-Holyfield pressured guys like Lewis because he had to, and he wasn't very comfortable at it.

-There's a reason Evander's best performances of his second career was against sluggers (Tyson, Rahman, Moorer when he lost control of the fight), he could smother and rough up on the inside without chasing around the ring.

 

Bey was coming off losses against Bonecrusher Smith and Joe Bugner, he was a trial horse by this time.
Maybe his chances against Arreola are better than Biggs' chances though.

Biggs could move but it hardly helped him avoid punches.
Arreola is precisely the sort of heavy-handed tough fighter who Biggs would stand and get pummelled by.
Arreola showed a lot of heart and toughness against Vitali.

 

He doesn't need to lure Haye into a brawl he just needs to jab his way in and throw a few combinations and he'd do a hell of allot better than Fragomeni and Mormeck who gave Haye fits at midrange/inside.

Haye isn't that negative a fighter anyway and you're showing you haven't really seen much of his career, only the Valuev/Wlad fights were slightly negative and Wlad is equally responsible for that 1 being a stinker because of his reluctance to mix it up.

The Bean fight is irrelevant, it was years later and he clearly won in a fight he probably wasn't up for

It boils down to Holyfield technically being a league above Haye and picking him apart

 

Monger is crazy enough to think Haye beats 1996 Holyfeild with running like a coward with bad balance And pot-shotting with less than 20 sloppy punches a round thrown! Haye needed a bias GIFT DECISION from corrupt judges to win a fight with past-prime 36 yrs Old Fat Valubum in 2009! Monger NEEDS to watch 46 yrs Old deadmanwalking Holyfeild beat Valubum but get ROBBED in 2008 And compare it to Haye losing but getting a GIFT.

 

You have to catch someone to wrestling them.

The only person gassed in this match would be Evander, who ran out of steam when he tried to press Lewis behind his jab in the second bout.

Haye ran from the quicker Wlad for 12 arounds and still had enough stamina to stun him with his best punch of the fight.

 

Biggs was tough too, but both lost one sided. Its meaningless, two different styles probably equal in shitness.

 

1996 Holyfield VS Haye would be like Holyfield-Moorer 2 from 1997.

 

-Haye at HW certainly is, CW is irrelevant. Even against Ruiz...who was well past his best but stylistically very similar to Holyfield 96-00.

-Holyfield is well above Haye on the greatness scale. But that doesn't mean this would be an ugly fight for the aging Evander. I'm sorry I'm not putting money on it.

-And I'm guessing everybody missed when I said I would favor Holyfield?

Sorry, I didn't say EVANDER MURDERZ KILLZ THE BUMZ WHO FOUGHT THE WEAK CHAMP WLADZ.

 

Because he threw a pitiful amount of punches a round. Against Fragomeni he was gassed and had trouble keeping up with the pace. This is partly because his style is also too energy sapping and partly because he doesn't do roadwork

 

Holyfield didnt stand his ground and push Tyson back? I would say he pressured him. Holyfield was always an offensive forward moving fighter. Yes he was more flat footed and had less lateral movement, but Holyfield for the most part always moved forward.

 

The Barrett/Ruiz/Audley/Bonin fights can't be called negative, I'd say he gets a pass for being negative against a 330lb 7 foot big foot too. And no CW isn't irrelevant because it shows his stylistic weaknesses against similar styles, Bonin and Mormeck are probably the most similar men to Holyfield although clearly not in his class

 

Haye is so 'elusive' that Old Barrett dropped And hurt him.

Lewis-Holyfield fights were 3 YEARS after Holyfield-Tyson, And Holyfield was 37 yrs Old in 1999, But still miles better then hypejob Haye. :deal

Haye had 'stamina' VS Wlad, cos he threw 24 punches a Round, And only landed 25% of them! :rofl:rofl:rofl

You say Holyfield 'ran out of steam' in Lewis 2, But he did win 5/12 Rounds with a Prime Lenny Lewis, who is a million times better Heavy than fraud Haye. :hi:

And you act like stunning Wlad is a hard thing! :rofl Wlad has a **** chin. Holyfeild has a Iron chin And took haymakers from Lenny Lewis, who punches much, much harder than blown-up Cruiser Haye. :deal

 

Yeah, and head-to-head, I think the styles favours Arreola.

 

-Yeah, but that isn't pressure fighting. Would we say Foreman pressured Frazier?

-Throughout his career, Holyfield did what him and his team thought the situation called for. In the late 90s, he certainly did better when the fight came to him.