Currently your top 15 p4p?

Hell if I know. Top 7 are set in stone for me, but after them there about about 20 - 25 guys who all have solid arguments to be in the top 15.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. JM Marquez
6. W Klitschko
7. Ward
8. Bradley
9. Hopkins
10. Froch
11. Bute
12. Joyi
13. Segura
14. Khan
15. Gamboa

Also guys who could easily be in the mix from 8 - 15 include R. Gonzalez, R. Guerrero, Mares, Agbeko, Pong, Cazares, Nishioka, John, Adamek, Vitali, Soto, Kessler, Cotto. I wouldn't complain too much if I saw any of those guys in the back end of a top 15.

 

1. PBF
2. Pac
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. Wlad
6. Ward
7. Vitali
8. BHop
9. JMM
10-12 Gamboa/Froch/Agbeko
13. Bradley
14. Bute/Mares/Vic, and I'm not counting the really small fighters b/c I don't follow them closely enough

 

I think it's really hard to justify more than a few spots between Wlad and Vitali

 

agreed ward should be ahead of bradley

 

Why? Wlad's recent resume is about 10 times better than Vitali's. Over the last five years:

Wlad:
Haye (consensus #3 and reigning titlist)
Chagaev (consensus #3 and reigning titlist)
Ibragimov (consensus top 5 and reigning titlist)
Chambers (consensus top 5)
Brock (Ring top 10)
Thompson (Ring top 10)
Peter (Ring top 10)

Vitali:
Peter (Ring top 5 and reigning titlist)
Arreola (Ring top 10)
Gomez (Ring top 10, barely)
Solis (Ring top 10, barely)

Whether or not you think Vitali might be the better fighter, Wlad has faced and beaten much better competition than Wlad recently. Go back a year further and you add Wlad's wins over Byrd (who was ranked #1 at the time) and Peter (who was top 10 but undefeated at the time). I'm not sure Vitali has beaten a fighter on the level of Chagaev or Ibragimov his entire career, to be honest with you.

 

Skills-wise, he's probably one of the top 5 or so fighters in the sport right now. Damn shame he's been so inactive though, and that there really isn't anyone good left for him to face at 105. He has the frame to move all the way to flyweight or super flyweight if he wants to, though.

 

when creating these lists, how far back in time are you taking into consideration a fighters body of work?

 

I think I count things farther in the past more than a lot of people. Both have been dominant, Wlad with the better comp but the greater vulnerability; Vitali also loses fewer rounds than Wlad. I also rate Solis pretty highly although the fight didn't have anything resembling a satisfying end.

 

Vitali has far better losses. He didnt lose to such fighters like Purity, Sander and Brewster. Also he wasnt floored 3 times in a fight like Wlad against Peter. And he was competetive (winning clearly on points) against an ATG. Wlad hasnt fought anyone on similar level to Lewis.

 

I completely forgot about John. He should be at the end of my list but it would be nice if fought someone again.